Copyright claim against Tolkien estate backfires on LOTR fanfiction author
theguardian.com
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It was being sold commercially on amazon. What a doofus.
It is gone from amazon but still on bn: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/book/1142895065
Derivatives are also the reason why the plaintiff lost. Fun fact: fan fiction is not copyrightable, so if you make a derivative work without permission you own nothing. Yes this means it's legal for the original author to just resell your fan work as their own, as the plaintiff alleges (even if it didn't actually happen here).
This is false. It's possible for both you and the original author to simultaneously infringe each other's copyrights. This is unintuitive but true due to the simple fact that you own all the original parts of your work.
Japan's very lucrative doujinshi (read: fan novels) and fan art scenes exist purely because most of the creators and publishers turn a blind eye to them (it's free marketing and good will from fans of their works). They only start caring if the fan works are being sold for profit or harming the original IPs.
Comiket exists thanks to everyone knowing and respecting where the invisible lines in the sand are drawn.
Permission is absolutely required in Japan, legally speaking. In practice, the requirement for permission is ignored under gentlemen's agreements.
In this particular case the Guardian article doesn't answer the question, but it's almost certainly the case that the courts found that Tolkien's estate didn't infringe upon Polychron's unauthorised work. In the UK (and much of the world), the bar for creating an original work is incredibly low, currently it's the EU approach where the author needs to express (creative) originality through choice, selection, or arrangement of a work. Previously the UK had the 'sweat of the brow' rule where the bar was even lower, only requiring 'labour, skill or judgement' in producing a work. The UK also explicitly protects derivative works from being considered infringement if they're found to be a parody, caricature, or pastiche, but this obviously isn't the case here.
Also note that 'copyright service' is a private company that sells copyright protection as a service through registering a work. The UK, unlike some countries, has no register of copyrighted works so you don't need to register a work for it to receive copyright protection in the UK.
I'm honestly asking because I can't find anything that goes as far as the claim you're making regarding original elements. I'm not even sure what original/severable elements could exist in that particular case.
“We need not pursue the issue of originality of derivative works. The Copyright Act grants the owner of a copyright the exclusive right to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work. […] So Pickett could not make a derivative work based on the Prince symbol without Prince's authorization even if Pickett's guitar had a smidgeon of originality.”
I assume the same is true of all of Disney's works too.
They stole first, and then got protected by law.
The original snow white story as written down by the Brothers Grimm is not under copyright and Disney can't do anything to stop you using it.
But lot's of what is associated with that is actually original stuff by the Mouse and therefore (still) copyrighted or trademarked.
In particular the well known blue-yellow dress, red bow in her hair, the dwarves appaerences and names are all not part of the traditional fairy tale.
Also in that story snow white is a child roughly 7 years old.
Though it would be peak copyright brain - and hilarious - to dissolve the copyright on everything until we can find the first human that ever told a story and trace their lineage down to all their modern descendants.
As, apparently, nor can this fanfic writer, with their parody of a pen-name.
Just for a laugh: JRRT would be 131 if he were still alive. He published 45 books; he wasn't slacking.
His son Christopher, whom I met once, spent his whole adult life editing together his late father's works, and would have been 100 next year... and he nearly made it.
It's a lot less than 100 years, actually. I put it at the 1976 copyright extension act where things went totally off the rails.
(You could argue the 1909 act, which was accompanied by discussion in the Senate re: benefiting copyright holders in their old age and providing for their descendants was where things went wrong. The term didn't become outrageous at that time though. The 1909 act also required registration of copyrights as a balancing feature-- a requirement that would be removed subsequently.)
re: terms and the lobby
The original term of copyright in the US (1790 copyright act) was 14 years w/ an optional single renewal to 28 years (drawing inspiration from the Statute of Anne).
The 1831 copyright act increased the term to 28 years with an optional 14 year renewal. Noah Webster, cited by some as the first copyright lobbyist in the US, had an influence on this act (as did European copyright terms and "normalization" of US copyrights to match Europe-- a theme that repeats).
Samuel Clemens suggested copyright terms should be perpetual in an appearance in 1906 before the British House of Lords. Presumably he was voicing the same opinion in the US. He wrote about how any "reasonable author" would like copyright to "take care of his children" and "let the grand-children take care of themselves". (Why the children of copyright holders should be entitled to a "free ride" while others' children are not is a topic worthy of debate. Being the child of a copyright holder doesn't confer some inability to make one's own way in the world, to my mind.)
In 1909 the term of the optional renewal was extended to 28 years.
Up to and including 1909 US copyright seems fairly reasonable to me. It certainly seems capable of providing incentive to creators. A 56 year term is longer than I'd like, personally, but it isn't ridiculous. The public domain is still enriched and creators have the opportunity to create new derivative works.
In 1976 the term was extended again to either 75 years (works for hire) or life of the author plus 50 years. This is where, in my mind, the "social contract" became radically and unfairly stilted in favor of copyright holders (not necessarily creators-- since work-for-hire was codified in 1909 and became a normalized practice between '09 and '76). Corporate interests lobbied hard for the '76 changes and again for the Sonny Bono extension act in 1998 (Disney figuring in both times, for example).
I regard the '76 copyright extension as nothing other than a "pull up the ladder" action, and the '98 extension as even more so. So much of human creation is derivative. The '76 extension robbed significantly from the public domain. The '98 act changed the rules retroactively again, pushing the ability of creators to make new derivative works out to ridiculous future dates.
To my mind everything after the 1909 act has been serving the interests of copyright holders w/o regard for balancing the good of society.
Society has a shitty lobby (and post Citizens United money equals speech). It's never going back to being a fair system.
re: doing well for one's offspring - Consolidation of wealth and generational wealth are concepts worthy of debate. I don't think they're an unalloyed good, nor do I think I'm alone in that thinking.
That wasn't the question. The question was whether or not the ability to maintain control of an author's work for a period of time after their death would or would not be a motivating reason for them to obtain a copyright. It obviously is, how could you dispute that?
Would some choose not to create works because they wouldn't get that deal in a hypothetical world where we reigned-in copyright terms to pre-1976 durations and life-plus clause? Yeah-- maybe. I don't think the effect would be terribly chilling. There was a lot of work made available under the 1909-1976 regime.
I certainly don't think we got an explosion of new work because of the 1976 act. It was a windfall for existing rightholders and a method to limit future competition.
"but are you seriously going to argue that an author has no interest in providing a livelihood to their family and/or offspring, even past their own lives? That seems absurd and in defiance of the economic system we live under"
Many authors would love for their heirs and assigns to be paid in perpetuity. They'd probably love a lot of things. That doesn't mean society is obligated to give those things to them.
My initial "snark" is a statement that J.R.R. Tolkien didn't create his works under the ridiculous copyright regime we have now.
That's an argument, to me, against the "necessity" of this regime. It serves to show that this regime is rent seeking, a windfall for existing copyright holders, and an impediment to competition.
You kinda did
>My initial "snark" is a statement that J.R.R. Tolkien didn't create his works under the ridiculous copyright regime we have now.
It's a pointless observation. No one said that works would never be created without the extensions.
>Many authors would love for their heirs and assigns to be paid in perpetuity. They'd probably love a lot of things. That doesn't mean society is obligated to give those things to them.
No one argued that.
FWIW though I rather enjoyed The Last Ringbearer.
They likely sent scripts/drafts in the past looking to become officially licensed and failed. So, they launched anyways, hoping to become a commercial success and resume talks. Then when they saw perceived similarity between the later released Amazon prequel they saw a chance to force deal. Ideally, Amazon/Tolkien estate settle with the book series becoming officially licensed works.
Further, it says something about the writer that they didn't foresee how this would play out.
But then, you're right about the second point. But even here, why would you assume that someone who's a talented fantasy fiction author would also be a talented businessperson? So conversely, if he's a bad businessperson, this doesn't make him necessarily a bad author. I don't have any other examples for authors, but I can name a bunch of rock stars off the top of my head who were fantastic and gifted musicians but totally clueless about business (and many other things too).
Realistically, that was never going to happen either.
It is exceedingly uncommon for any media franchise to accept story submissions "on spec", even in franchises which are less author-focused like films or TV series. For a literary series like LotR? Forget it. You might as well ask the Pope if you can write a new book of the Bible.
(This isn't to say that licensed works aren't a thing -- far from it! But they're almost always commissioned by the owner of the franchise, not on spec. There's rarely any lack of authors willing to write for a high-profile franchise.)
It seems they were hoping they could win the suit and force licensing as part of the settlement, which would return the derivative work under Tolkien estate and allow Amazon to use it. In the other case, they were going to get shot down, but then they hoped that the lengthy process of examining the work would convince the estate it was a worthy sequel, and the Tolkien estate would take a cut of the book sales in return for officially licensing it.
This was always going to end up in the courts, they probably thought suing first for infringement would be favorable to them rather than wait to get sued later.
The writing bears no resemblance whatsoever to the grand, Elizabethan style of Tolkien.
See for yourself: https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=iH6iEAAAQBAJ&source=...
Even if it weren't trying to fill Tolkien's boots it'd still be bad writing; the pretension just makes it look even worse by comparison.
I can’t get over HMS Samwise, like he’s a boat
More specifically, it's currently available via RECAP[0], which is a free mirror-ish service for PACER.
[0]: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.88...
A lot of sold works are comparable to badly written fanfiction with inly a thin pretense of originality.
Popular conceptions of fantasy races (elves, dwarves, goblins, orcs, trolls, etc) are heavily indebted to Tolkien's portrayals of them in his works. While many of them were based on concepts from European (and especially Scandinavian) folklore, Tolkien's representations of those races were much more specific and different in character.
For instance, folkloric "elves" ranged anywhere from midgets to fairies to demons. Tolkien's nature-attuned immortals were a substantial departure from these traditions, and have suffused popular culture to the degree that they're now the default interpretation of "elf" in most contexts outside Christmas. The "orc" is an even more extreme example; the word was attested in some Old English texts but was long extinct in English by the time he borrowed it for a race of evil creatures in The Hobbit.
Pokemon games are a great example of people buying it for the (copyrighted) characters, while the (not-copyrightable) gameplay constantly gets criticized. A game that copies the monster designs while improving on the gameplay would cut into sales. Other games inspired by Pokemon never have as good monster designs.
A fan fic is ultimately just a subpar copy.
Dismissing works like A Fox In Space (aka Starfox The Animated Series) as ‘a subpar copy’ is ridiculously ignorant.
How does that work? Are you suggesting people will buy this book instead of lotr?
But to answer your question. I'd be fine with my great grand kids making their own way in life rather than living off my creation to the detriment of the rest of society.
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley_Fanfiction_Co...
My precious.
There must be some LotR/Darkover crossover out there somewhere.
Regardless, something has gone wrong when a creator’s retirement aged grandchildren win lawsuits regarding rights to their grandparents creation.
Most of us should earn more from the long tail benefits from our work, but the copyright situation is just ridiculous.
All of which is separate from the Tolkien Estate and the Tolkien Trust which is managed by Tolkien’s family.
Huh, is this a thing? You can have someone's personal copy on their hard drive destroyed even beyond stopping them from publishing it?
(which is to say, the idea of digital eradication is imaginary).
This is where free expression and intellectual property butt heads. Had our subject merely distributed his writings openly (free), it would be much harder to shut him down.
LOTR is great because it's a unique product of who Tolkien was, with his background in linguistics and experience in World War I and his Beowulf scholarship. Be your own interesting person and make your own stuff.
I feel like these days, real creativity is punished, and only 'meme'-able things get rewarded.
A new thing is great, not saying it isn't. Certainly, tributes of recent works are not a good commercial strategy. I personally haven't truly appreciated a great work like lotr or Chrono Trigger or Jurassic Park or what have you until I've recreated a small part of it out of love. Of course, this rant is limited to fan derivatives made out of passion. Attempts to deceive are another thing.
I'm sorry if I'm rambling and come off as angry, I'm not and appreciate your point. But I find this suggestion to leave out the tribute part in fan works to kinda be missing the point. For my stuff I'd rather have made it and have it taken down, over not having made it at all.
For example, I do not think the Peter Jackson movies, despite the monumental effort that went into them and Jackson's genuine interest in the material, actually capture what Tolkien was trying to capture. I have written about this here:
http://blog.peterdonis.com/opinions/tolkiens-ring.html
I have not even tried to watch the TV series (I didn't even watch Jackson's The Hobbit movies), because it just looks like an even worse job of capturing Tolkien's viewpoint.
Imagine you took someone who had just read _The Hobbit_, and you gave them a copy of the _Silmarillion_ carefully scrubbed of any identifying information and all of the critical apparatus, just the barebones fiction itself, and with a cover story like 'I got this off Ao3, you might like it'. I wonder how many people would realize it was even in the same fictional universe, much less by the same author?
But, as he says in the foreword to LotR, that story got irresistibly drawn towards the older world, and became a story of its ending and passing away before its beginning and middle had been told. (I don't know if I'm giving what he said in the foreword word for word, but I think I'm pretty close.) So someone who read the LotR in its published form would see the connection, if for no other reason than some of the same characters (Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan) appear in both works. And of course anyone who read the Appendices in detail would see even more connections, because Tolkien put them there on purpose.
(Btw, after the publication of LotR, Tolkien went back and reworked some parts of The Hobbit, notably the encounter with Gollum in Riddles In The Dark. That reworked version is what most people now have read. The really original version, published before LotR, is even less related to the legendarium.)
I don't know why this remotely is a controversial opinion. When I went to the cinema, the audience laughed when Gollum fell into the volcano, as Jackson clearly wanted them to. Would Tolkien have wanted that?
We're treated to a long scene of Gollum falling with the camera following him and him waving his arms and kissing up to the ring. Then the ring (of gold) floats on the lava and Gollum (of hobbit flesh) sinks. It turned into pure cartoon in the most dramatic scene in the series. It's not the only scene in the film with a "90s computer game cutscene" feel to it either.
I can't imagine he would have, no.
Another scene from the books that is totally absent in the movie, which I didn't discuss in my blog post, is the one where Gollum comes upon the sleeping Frodo and almost caresses him, as if he's reconsidering his whole plan of sending the hobbits to Shelob and taking the Ring for himself--and then Sam blunders in and ruins it.
I can't really provide details without spoiling the series for you, but if you watch the first season to the end[1] and then review your own blog post, I think you'll at least understand why I thought you might really like it.
FWIW, although he didn't live to see the finished work, apparently Christopher Tolkien liked what he saw of the preproduction, despite his dislike of Jackson's films.
[1] This is important, but again, spoilers. Even if you end up disliking it, or disagreeing with some of the choices they made, I'm confident you'll agree that the writers love Tolkien's writing as much as you obviously do.
I had heard of those things before, and my reaction was "ick", and it still is. (a) is completely inconsistent with everything Tolkien wrote about Galadriel. (b) is a huge change in the timeline of the Second Age, for no good reason that I can see except that TV audiences are not supposed to be able to follow a story that covers such a long expanse of time. Which I think Tolkien would have had the same "ick" reaction to that I have. (I'm not sure what to make of Christopher Tolkien's reaction, but I suspect his reaction was much more nuanced, or else he didn't see enough of the preproduction.)
I get that people like to, so to speak, play around with an imaginary world they like. I have no objection whatever to people watching Jackson's films and liking them, or watching this series and liking it. I just don't think the world they are seeing portrayed in Jackson's films is the same world that Tolkien imagined and wrote about. And based on the above, I suspect I would feel the same about The Rings of Power.
As far as loving Tolkien's writing goes, there are many different ways of doing that. I have no doubt that Jackson sincerely loves Tolkien's work. He just doesn't in the same way I do, since what he did with it is nothing like what I would have done. And again, based on the above, I suspect I would feel the same about the people who made The Rings of Power.
There was an interesting weird area of copyright law that comes up every few years; early Sherlock Holmes are in the public domain, but not the final Sherlock Holmes stories [but maybe now? It's been a few years].
So it was legal to create a derivative work based on the early stories, like a movie or your own sequels or whatever, but if you referenced the final canon works, the estate would have you.
This is so dumb. If early math has been copyrighted all math would be 1000 late by now
For that reason studios are very careful about exactly how and when they will accept script submissions from outside their usual stable of writers.
Am I misunderstanding?
(I could look this up. It's more fun to discuss it, and other people might find it interesting.)
But it's not my area of expertise.
In the US there are a couple of things courts look at when deciding if a character can be copyrighted. One is how well delineated the character is. Another is whether the story is about the character or the character is just a means to move the story forward.
Wikipedia has decent coverage of this here [1] if you want more detail.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_fic...