I've written about it before on HN:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29261810
Speaking of Forth experts -- there's Mitch Bradley, who created OpenFirmware:
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Mitch Bradley's 68k forth lets you use interactive conditionals and loops in the top level outer interpreter!
I think he wrote a paper about that feature, which I might be able to dig up ... Here's something related he wrote about refactoring the outer interpreter, but not what I'm thinking of:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.lang.forth/lKQj...
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I got a quick reply from Mitch Bradley!
Yes I wrote a paper but I probably can't find it. The easiest place to look would be in the Open Firmware source.
https://github.com/MitchBradley/openfirmware/blob/master/for...
The magic is all in +level and -level. Search for those in kernel.fth to see other places they are used to achieve a similar effect, e.g. in abort"
For an alternative but effectively equivalent formulation, see:
https://github.com/MitchBradley/cforth/blob/master/src/cfort...
and
https://github.com/MitchBradley/cforth/blob/master/src/cfort...
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29264309
In PostScript that would be:
/PostScript Know? { Honk! } { /PostScript Learn! } ifelse
FORTH doesn't have an IFELSE unless you define it yourself of course, but it would have no way of telling which part of your code was the conditional, part to do if true, or part to do if false, since white space and line breaks have no meaning to it, except for a few cases like \ comments. The IF comes between the conditional and the part to do if true, the ELSE comes between the part to do if true and the part to do if false, and the THEN comes at the end.
The structure of PostScript code, conditionals, and flow control is homoiconic, made of nested arrays, like polymorphic JSON arrays, where FORTH code is flat untyped arrays of threaded pointers with relative branching.
Forth has an "inner interpreter" called NEXT that threads from one pointer to the next (sometimes implemented as one machine language instruction, or just a few), and also an "outer interpreter" or compiler that translates text into threaded code for the inner interpreter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphism_(computer_science...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threaded_code
Here's Mitch Bradley's implementation of interactive control structures (IF, ELSE, THEN, BEGIN, UNTIL, AGAIN, REPEAT, WHILE, DO, LOOP, etc) in the outer interpreter of his FORTH system, which actually allows you to use conditionals and loops at the interactive top level of the interpreter, not just in compiled words (which solves a traditional and frustrating limitation of classic FORTH).
https://github.com/MitchBradley/openfirmware/blob/master/for...
Here is an alternative but equivalent implementation of interactive Forth control structures in his CForth (Forth implemented in C, of course):
https://github.com/MitchBradley/cforth/blob/master/src/cfort...
Here's some more of Mitch's beautiful code from OpenFirmware, his Forth kernel meta-compiler written in Forth, which supports 8, 16, 32, an 64 bit, big-endian and little-endian architectures, as well as direct, indirect, and token threaded code:
https://github.com/MitchBradley/openfirmware/blob/master/for...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threaded_code#Direct_threading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threaded_code#Indirect_threadi...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threaded_code#Token_threading
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29265144
Some FORTH systems even have a "metacompiler" that lets one FORTH system compile another FORTH system for the same or different CPU, word size, byte order, threading technique, with or without a built-in compiler, etc, from the same source code!
OpenFirmware (the FORTH burnt into boot roms of SPARC, PowerPC, OLPC, and other systems) is a great highly refined example that supports many different architectures:
openfirmware/forth/kernel/metacompile.fth
https://github.com/openbios/openfirmware/blob/master/forth/k...
openfirmware/forth/kernel/meta1.fth
https://github.com/openbios/openfirmware/blob/master/forth/k...
The OpenFirmware kernel is a Forth meta-compiler, which can compile itself on any architecture, and also cross-compile for different target architectures.
It has cross-architecture extensions to FORTH (like \16 \32 comments and /n /n* generically typed words) that make it possible to write platform, word size, byte order, and threading independent code, and compile images (stripped or with headers) for embedded systems (like the OLPC boot ROMs) and new CPU architectures (like Sun's transition from 68K to SPARC), and share code with a more powerful development environments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiler-compiler#Forth_metaco...
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29264489
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Here's some IBM-PC Forth for the CAM-6 cellular automata machine that was block based -- check out the unique idiosyncratic right-justified reverse-indentation style (starting with KGET), which is not standard Forth style, but sure looks cool and poetic, like E E CUMMINGS ON CAPS LOCK:
https://donhopkins.com/home/code/tomt-cam-forth-scr.txt
https://donhopkins.com/home/code/tomt-users-forth-scr.txt
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29261868
Coco Conn and Paul Rother wrote this up about what they did with FORTH at HOMER & Assoc, who made some really classic music videos including Atomic Dog, and hired Charles Moore himself! Here's what Coco Conn posted about it, and some discussion and links about it that I'm including with her permission:
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Forth & Charles Moore
We hired Forth, Inc. and got Charles Moore, the inventor of FORTH to program the console host computer. I learned FORTH and worked with Charles. I programmed the 2K byte EPROM in each visual channel. On the Master Z80 system we ran PolyForth a multi tasking system in 32K bytes. We had an extra 16K RAM for buffers and things. If I remember right, the system ran four tasks, but that was 20 years ago, my memory may be hazy.
Anyway, I learn not only FORTH from Charles Moore, but also how to factor code in to small reusable routines, WORDs they're called in FORTH. I learned Object Oriented Programming without knowing it. Also a lot of use of vectors. Its a cool language. Charles Moore was a great inspiration to me, and really taught me a great deal that they never taught me in computer programming school.
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