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That article is paywalled, looking at the numbers I got this:

> the first half of 2023 witnessed a total of 168 million inbound and outbound individuals passing through China’s immigration

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-tourism-in-2023-o...

Seems fairly decent.

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Don't have any numbers myself, but per persons who recently attended KubeCon China earlier this year they have not seen Shanghai this empty of tourists in years. Also, supported by a friend of mine who was head of accounting for a cosumer goods firm over there until recently.

Yeah, I was in Shanghai recently and it felt like there were an order of magnitude less tourists than a few years ago.

That number is counted whenever citizens travel to/from Hong Kong and Macau. There are people making day trips to/from Hong Kong every day.

I still don’t understand why HK is still considered a foreign destination in China.

Why would an authoritarian government give up a preassembled internal border checkpoint? Makes sense for them to keep it.

Maybe they do it so they can count all tourism between the SAR as international tourism. Results in lots of gained face.

People from many countries can enter Hong Kong without a visa. It draws tourists and helps with many export businesses.

For this reason people in Hong Kong have not passed the stricter scrutiny applied to people who visit the mainland, so they have to be re-checked at the border.

It (still) has different laws, different visa rules and a different passport.

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