Tree plantations are not the environmental solution they’re purported to be
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That place is a desert for a reason other than "nobody got around to planting trees". I really wonder what they need to do in order to start and maintain such a large forest. Will it ever become self sustainable?
Sudden precipitation is —oddly— somewhat common in Arabia and usually trickle through ergs, river beds empty most of the year, and sometimes captured by water walls, feeding oasis. The last few years have seen more violent incidents, overflowing ergs leading to floods, changes in temperature in the Indian Ocean, and more water in the monsoon-like pattern, I’m not sure.
It might make sense to adapt to the changing climate than the one they’ve known until now. If tree-supported water basins can handle more water than ergs, that might be relevant terraforming.
It’s the same in “Northern” Europe: Paris, Berlin, London, Amsterdam. Those cities had hot summers and needed fountains, but not so hot that they needed adaptations like shading all plazas with trees, having every building extend with parapets to shade the inside, etc. Paris has Venetian blinds (meant to let the air through but keep the sun out in summer), but they are not common in London, for instance. All those cities are now thinking of having gree water-culvert to complement storm drains.
Changing what we think of as normal might be necessary.
The same place was a rainforest once
On that note, I like Mossy Earth (https://www.mossy.earth/). They have a YouTube channel and a non profit that works on restorative initiatives. I’m not affiliated to them in any way, I just find their projects very interesting.
I became a volunteer forest steward this year. I'm currently clearing invasives, to be replanted with locals.
Bioremediation and creating new forests is fascinating.
My "boss" has a whole playbook. Dozens of species carefully chosen for the site, planted just so, managed over time. Even factoring in soil conditions and "transplanting" soil from healthy areas.
In 30 years, we'll have a small new forest. Long after I pass on.
Wish I had studied biology and such when I was younger.
A good analogy to me is the "anti-fat" nutrition crowd in the 90s (remember "the food pyramid" anyone??) I was reading an article about this whole debacle a while back, and remember one scientist lamenting "The advice on its own was good advice, but we never imagined the rise of Snack Wells." If anyone doesn't know, Snack Wells were a cookie brand in the 90s that were fat-free but loaded with sugar. They had the effect of getting you just as fat (they had a ton of calories), with probably a higher risk of type 2 diabetes, but with no fat they left you feeling hungry and they tasted a bit like cardboard.
But the scientist's defense was utter baloney. Of course if you convince the populace that fat is evil and you can avoid weight gain just by avoiding dietary fat that food companies will respond accordingly.
The same thing applies here. It's ridiculous for a scientist to think that his report about how planting lots of trees can counteract fossil fuel emissions wouldn't be latched on to by fossil fuel companies to say they "offset" their new emissions by planting more trees.
Thus I want scientists to study things and help figure out what policy will make the world better.
First, in both cases the science was actually bad science. Here there were tons of other scientists that said their estimates were overrated (and the original authors later admitted as much), and in the nutritionists case there were never any scientific studies that would lead to recommendations against consuming unsaturated fats (there was just an assumption that since fat is denser in calories, cutting back on fat would result in weight loss, which has now been thoroughly debunked).
My point is that if you make a "scientific" recommendation, of course companies will latch on to whatever part is in their economic benefit. That shouldn't be a surprise. So to come back later and say "I didn't think company X would do Y based on my research!" means you're either lying or an idiot.
If instead of going around shouting in tons of interviews about how planting trees can offset carbon emissions, which is what this guy did, he had gone around advocating for preservation of existing habitats and reduction of fossil fuel use (which is what he's doing now), this whole thing could have been avoided. This guy doesn't get a "oh, it's not my fault" pass just because he ignored the obvious consequences of his advocacy.
That seems a little overly hysterical.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/13/well/eat/how-the-sugar-in...
Somewhere down the trail of sources is a scientific paper measuring the affect of a difference in X in Y specific population.
Then the magazine / newspaper / newsblog article comes out as “Is X killing you? Scientists say cut it out of your diet to live longer!”
And of course the population ends up being dismissive of “Science(tm)” when the articles on their Facebook feed alternate between “Scientists say X is good” and “Scientists say X will kill you” from week to week or month to month.
The article here points out this was not just a case where a paper was released that the media then ran with. According to the article, this guy had "dozens" of interviews making his point, and heck, he was science advisor for the "United Nations’ Trillion Trees Campaign". He himself fanned the flames of this media narrative.
It's like advocating for feeding school children because kids who aren't missing meals get better academic results, but then finding that schools are feeding them nothing but oreos because you didn't specify in every interview that they should also follow all of the other recommendations on proper balanced nutrition.
I think this demonstrates the differences between research, media, and policy. A scientist working in policy should ideally know and account for these differences.
There are, dunno... lets say "one million" of scientists in this planet?. I don't see one million of scientists all the time on TV or doing this things on the labs
"oh, but he has a ponytail!" this is the type of things that media are seeing and hearing while people explains their job.
Finding a journalist that will not try to mock you or abuse your time, is like finding an opera singer dressed as a walkiria inside a clam
> I don't see one million of scientists all the time on TV or doing this things on the labs > Finding a journalist that will not try to mock you or abuse your time, is like finding an opera singer dressed as a walkiria inside a clam
Peak anecdata. I've spoken to several journalists - all of them pleasant and none of whom mocked me or abused my time. I don't see millions of journalists on TV mocking people.
Linus Pauling won a Nobel prize, twice. He got most of his attention though for spreading the idea that vitamin C is a cure for everything. He gave a lot of interviews in a lot of different places spreading that message.
In physics they are still trying to recover from 20+ years of string theory claiming they are just around the corner from a theory of everything. Smart people have done a lot of interesting work in string theory, but none of it has ever been close to a testable hypothesis. The people though knew how to use the media to spread the message and get funding - not only taking funding from more promising branches of physics, but when the funders caught on drying up the total physics pot a bit.
The cases you cite began with simplified solutions, to try to get people to adopt change. Then it turned out that the solutions were actually oversimplified and harmful without broader context.
What should we do when clearly doing nothing is also a problem?
Not that we should get rid of manual tinkering/rewriting/expanding/deleting laws but to have some more gradual transitions.
Say sentences starting like "Since we know it is eating fat that makes you fat[committee VI] it is now forbidden..." Would be automatically suspended if committee VII does not agree to elevate the hypothesis to that level of certainty.
A bit like a legalese code of law generator.*
For nutrition at least, doing nothing to try to influence eating habits from the 50s or so would have almost certainly been better than what we have done. Probably better than current recommendations are as well, given the history and given the abysmal quality of nutritional studies.
But was it really scientists who convinced the populace that fat is evil? Or was it journalists, public commentators and business interests who convinced the populace that fat is evil, based on scientists' (retrospectively mistaken) results suggesting that substituting dietary fat in favour of carbohydrates was likely to improve certain health conditions?
Portraying scientists as selfless truth-seekers is largely inaccurate. They are people after all.
1. fruits, vegetables, lentils, wholegrain bread
2. rice, oats, fish, oil, margarine, yogurt, milk, pasta
3. meat, eggs, cheese, white bread
4. sugar, candy, sausages, pastry, butter
I have no doubt that it is possible to build a food pyramid wrong, but again, the idea seems entirely reasonable, so it should be possible to build one that's actually useful. What I'm curious about is if this belief is fundamentally flawed and food pyramids are just a poor way to convey nutritional advice (for a reason I'm not seeing at the moment), or if the idea itself is perfectly fine and all this criticism is being made with regard to some particular misguided pyramid (which I might not be all that familiar with, seeing as multiple variations of 'the pyramid' exist, some of which might be way better than the others).[1] https://cdn.britannica.com/12/73412-004-8D081488/grain-produ...
The basic problem of the original food pyramid is that the base is essentially "tons of processed carbohydrates" (flours, bread, pasta), while it says to minimize oils and fats.
But I think the biggest crime of the original food pyramid, and honestly much nutrition "science", is that it was not scientifically based. There were never any studies that said, for example, that mono-unsaturated fats were bad for you (the opposite is true), but the food pyramid made broad assumptions without any actual studies to back it up.
The flip-flop on dietary cholesterol is another good example. There is evidence high LDL in the blood is associated with higher rates of cardiovascular disease, but never evidence that eating cholesterol leads to higher LDL levels, except in certain genetic circumstances. For decades nutritionists told us "eggs are bad for you" based on this theory without any evidence to back it up.
The calorie model was well established, so yes, they knew that you'd still get fat if you ate as much calories.
But both scientists and doctors absolutely did believe that reducing fat consumption would directly reduce the incidence of heart disease regardless of body weight. The same thing happened later when it was believed that consuming cholesterol, or even later LDL, would increase the risk of high blood cholesterol and thus atherosclerosis. This led to things like doctors and large medical bodies recommending margarine instead of butter as a health food(!).
There has been plenty of terrible advice coming directly from nutrition science and medical bodies influenced by it. Most likely even current advice will turn out to be nonsensical as we learn more.
No need to go till 90s. We have now anti-sugar.
But I know it's expedient to shift the blame to the oil companies.