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> Apple has customers who want to use iMessage. Those customers are not able to use iMessage to securely communicate with Android users

Of course they do. There's Signal and Telegram and WhatsApp. My principal benefit of iMessage is its relative lack of spam. (And when I do get spam, it gets stomped out fast.)

Apple Music blitzkrieging Spotify is bullshit. The lock on subscription payments is bullshit. I happen to think the App Store is fine, but I'll concede that there's a real debate to be had there. But this isn't a material issue.

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I am at a loss on this "spam" argument. I haven't received a single spam message on either SMS or Signal in the at least last year.

Same experience with signal, but SMS phishing is a very large issue, at least in my country. Maybe your phone number was just never leaked and you're not present in the spammers databases?

email and phone spam would be a bit easier to mitigate if places-we-enter email+phone (websites that want this info) would give us a list of Emails and Phone-numbers it uses to contact us with, and even email-subject prefixes; it is no different than when you meet an old friend and you each, mutually, exchange phones/emails/physical addresses; why are the UX of all the websites so poorly designed that we consumers do not get to see, proactively, the address they intend to talk to us from?

>Apple Music blitzkrieging Spotify is bullshit.

What is this referencing?

>The lock on subscription payments is bullshit.

I pay for app subscriptions outside of the App store, since it is usually cheaper.

> What is this referencing

Spotify launched on iOS. Apple saw them competing with iTunes and basically stole their idea to compete with them. That, alone, would be okay. But Apple Music is privileged within iOS and Apple's marketing in a way Spotify cannot be.

Oh, I would apply that to any number of things Apple integrated, for example dropbox/icloud drive.

Google does the same thing. Unfortunately, with the near zero marginal cost of software, I do not see any way around vertical integration unless the law started arbitrarily segregating businesses.

Also, Apple Music came out 5 years after Spotify, so it had a pretty healthy lead. But regardless, any non Apple vendor competing with Apple's bundled products is going to face an uphill battle.

iDisk came out in 2000 and functioned like iCloud Drive has, with local caching, since 2003

It predates Dropbox by almost half a decade

None of this is true.

a) Spotify didn't invent music streaming. There were many services e.g. Pandora that were doing in the years before. It was a pretty obvious idea once devices had faster bandwidth.

b) Apple didn't steal their idea. They acquired Beats who had launched a similar service soon after Spotify.

c) Apple Music isn't privileged. It comes pre-installed but otherwise you can delete the app and use Spotify, Youtube Music etc.

Apple Music is privileged when it comes to Siri. I currently have both a Spotify and Apple Music subscription, and one of the main reasons I prefer Apple Music, aside from shuffle not playing the same 20 songs in a 2000 song playlist, is the great hands free functionality. I can add songs to playlist, play a song next instead of adding it to the end of the queue (which is more of Spotify STILL not having deque support), and I know there are other things I've run into Spotify can't do on Siri, but I'm blanking at the moment.

You can absolutely use Siri to control Spotify—both on the phone itself and over AirPlay.

Any functionality that Apple Music allows over Siri that Spotify does not is, at this point, up to Spotify to implement.

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