Japan says reason behind 1,200 tonnes of fish washing ashore is unknown
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Of course they are unlikely to be linked. The water that's being released is monitored and safe to drink.
Of course, the water being released today is seawater. You could drink a small amount, but it would still be very salty.
They also ate fish from the area after the discharges. https://youtu.be/WdKtO1jDVQA?feature=shared
Radiation isn’t some dark magic. We understand it quite well. It’s like recycling pee on the ISS for drinking water; people are inordinately freaked out by something for fundamentally invalid reasons.
"Experts have speculated that the migratory fish in both areas had become stranded after being chased to the point of exhaustion by amberjack and other predatory fish. Mass mortality events can also occur when there are sudden drops in the water temperature, causing the fish to go into shock, they added."
"Images of the fish have been widely shared on social media – many accompanied by Fukushima conspiracy theories."
"“There have been no abnormalities found in the results of water-monitoring surveys,” the fisheries agency said, referring to the water that has been pumped out of the Fukushima plant so far. “We’re concerned about the proliferation of information that’s not based on scientific evidence.”"
I'm shocked that Hacker News of all places would immediately leap to conspiracy theories.
In true Gell-Mann amnesia fashion we will then see their posts on other tech topics and forget how off base, conspiratorial, or crackpot they were about this and engage with them despite their obvious inability to reason.
It may be unexpected at HN, but it's universal.
I dont buy the 100% pro nuclear speaking points. Nor do I buy the 100% against nuclear speaking points
I do have a family who have suffered from the debris from Chernobyl. as did their communities.
> Don't post this kind of scaremongering when you don't have the facts. The water being released from Fukushima is being monitored more than probably any other nuclear facility on the planet right now. You could drink it. https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/08/1140037
The physics here is not on the side of conspiracy theorists.
> China, which opposed the release and imposed a ban on Japanese seafood, has been accused of hypocrisy since its own nuclear plants routinely pump wastewater with higher levels of tritium than that found in Fukushima’s discharge.
I have a vial of radioactive tritium on my keychain as a novelty.
edit: If you like, when they're discharging water, there's literally real-time monitoring you can watch on a dashboard. https://www.iaea.org/topics/response/fukushima-daiichi-nucle...
Why? Postulating alternate solutions, and testing them, is the essence of hacking.
A torii gate washed all the way to Oregon. https://japanesegarden.org/the-gates-of-hope/
> Experts have speculated
Yes. Are experts the only ones who are allowed to speculate ?
> Mass mortality events can also occur when there are sudden drops in the water temperature
If we’re enumerating things that can occur…
I mean, there’s no evidence for those two scenarios these experts have speculated on either right? It wouldn’t be speculation otherwise.
> fisheries agency said
You mean the same people who have a vested economic interest?
> "“There have been no abnormalities found in the results of water-monitoring surveys,”
The very premise of conspiracy theorists is that authorities are not to be trusted. There’s no intellectual debate to be had if you’re presuming the authorities to be definitive. It’s dogmatism.
This comes a day after cabinet members resign over fundraising fraud.
> immediately leap to conspiracy theories
Why are you immediately leaping to the conclusion that they are conspiracy theories? Japan is no stranger to cover ups. We don’t have to talk about war crimes. Just look at Carlos Ghosn.
You can call it scientific or healthy skepticism, too.
The real question is why is there a growing level of distrust? Governments are telling people central banks are working to their benefit and the economy is doing great, meanwhile real wages have declined and wealth disparity widens. In a country where salary raises are 1%, maybe, and now everyday items at the convenient store are going up a ten yen coin or two, it doesn’t take Chinese propaganda to make even Japanese people grow skeptical of authorities. It FEELS like the BOJ’s actions prioritize corporate and the asset-wielding class’ interests first.
The media only covers Japanese people support for one particular American stance on a current geopolitical issue. I’ve not seen this on the ground, but have seen people here holding pickets for the exact opposite stance. Japan ranks pretty poor on freedom of the press. https://amp.dw.com/en/why-japan-ranks-poorly-in-press-freedo...
> proliferation of information that’s not based on scientific evidence
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence - Karl Popper, philosopher of science.
Speaking about the lack of evidence, there’s not much evidence of the facilities on Ōkunoshima because the staff were instructed to destroy it all.
I’ve been to all 47 prefectures of Japan atleast 3 times over now, and the most dystopian place is Gunkanjima. It’s controversial that a place of industrialists could be considered a world heritage, even by local Japanese people, but Mitsubishi Heavy Industry has good lobbyists. It was and still is a company town, where they control the narrative. It’s what I imagine a tour in North Korea would be like. Meanwhile, the one museum in the city to discuss slave labor was barraged with Google reviews for being a conspiracy.
As far as the Japanese academic institutions are concerned, Nanjing is a conspiracy that never happened and never taught. One of the largest shrines in the country enshrines convicted war criminals where annual festivals drawing hundreds of thousands of visitors occur. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasukuni_Shrine
Here’s a list of museums in Japan that right-winged Japanese people consider conspiracies and leave 1 star reviews for:
- Oka Masaharu Museum, Nagasaki
- Okunoshima Poison Gas Museum (where I learned that locals didn’t know poison gas was being experimented. They were sure to place it far away from Tokyo because they didn’t want to contaminate rich/city people)
- Kyoto Museum for World Peace (as a rule of thumb, if a museum in Japan mentions Peace, it’s some kind of propaganda, whether left or right)
- Bonus: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimizuka. This one is not a disputed controversial or conspiracy, but just find it interesting that it’s on some random unassuming street without anyone noticing, despite being in walking distance of the most crowded tourist areas in Kyoto
You can’t even get most Samsung products in this country, maybe except a few flagship phones, because Samsung replaced Japanese emojis with Korean ones. https://blog.emojipedia.org/samsung-puts-japan-back-on-the-m.... The relevance here is that these countries will do things out of dysfunction, pettiness, malice and/or incompetency, and rarely out of nobility and honor. Maybe you’re influenced by this Western-centric depiction and Hollywood trope: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giBmzgW-iOk
Experts (and here, it's scientists, not economists or whatever) speculations are based on field knowledge and current facts.
> authorities are not to be trusted [...] Japan is no stranger to cover ups [...] etc
Ok. Since Japan "can't be trusted", would you say that UN scientific committees can, on scientific subjects? Like IPCC group 1 and 2? Here is the IPCC group 1 equivalent for radiations:
https://www.unscear.org/unscear/en/areas-of-work/fukushima.h...
A sign of the times compared to Japan’s days of excess peaking in the 80s. If you talk to older Japanese people, those who were in their 20s-30s during the 80s, it’s pretty common to hear about them visiting or even living in LA and NYC. Nowadays, only a third of Japanese people even have passports and Japan ranks lower in English literacy then developing countries like Vietnam.
Something tells me the people negatively reacting to my comment are those who armchair worship the idea of Japan and its cultural exports, then put Japan on a golden pedestal.
Americas the #1 economy, doesn’t mean the bottom rung of society is doing well or that it’s a desirable place to live. The economic ranking is irrelevant here.
I actually live here and my plight is with the working class people who are struggling to get by.
Fish ? What fish ? /s They just drowned due to bad weather.