Mark Zuckerberg's Top-Secret Hawaii Compound
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The author quotes someone in construction who is familiar with high end work who says it's extremely unusual to force everyone to sign NDAs.
Couple that with the scale of the project? 1,400 acres is two square miles. That's a quarter of the size of the largest town on the island.
Right now on the North Shore there is Mark Zuckerberg, tons of wealthy people moving in, AND a giant mega resort called the 1 Hotel Hanalei Bay all putting strain on the economy and ecology.
I am still carrying through with my vision of a better world. It started back in 2010 when this account was created. I was laughed at then for wanting to take on Facebook. I never quit and kept learning this whole time. I am close to Mount Doom now, Ring is still in tact. I am a little beat up after the Maui fires and that I had to relocate to here but I'm still going.
A few years back, my wife and I went on "his" beach via a long, windy, overgrown public access path[1] and had a large, sandy beach to ourselves with nobody else within sight. At first, we had security from up on the property watching us from afar, but they got bored after a while and left us. Or they figured we weren't a threat. We spent hours there.
1. Hint: from the south side.
On the other hand because it's on an island far away from the mainland continents it will probably be good for a zombie apocalypse scenario, provided none of the locals get infected.
It's not hard to see how journalists -- anyone, really -- could conclude that Zuckerberg is building a doomsday bunker.
For long term habitation, you would solve it like any other engineering problem. How many people do you need to support, against what threats, for how long and what safety margins do you need.
Air is a solved problem, you either pull/push from the outside environment and filter on its way in (open circuit), or you treat the air (closed circuit). Waste goes into a leech field or is incinerated. Electrical is generated / stored onsite or powered externally.
Some people have security teams they pay millions of dollars per year for, who ensure they aren't kidnapped, injured or otherwise harassed.
> Some people have security teams they pay millions of dollars per year for
I mean you're not even wrong? This seems to reinforce everything TFA said about Zuckerberg's $250 million island compound with 5,000 square foot underground living quarters being a "survival bunker."
Maybe not ideal, in the perfect sense, but not bad at all.
It's probably the best choice on US soil. Most physically isolated (significant) plot of land on earth. If the airspace shuts down, that's it. No one in or out. It's a 3 week boat ride to the nearest continental shelf. Also happens to be defended by over half the Navy's nuclear carrier and sub fleet, and multiple divisions of Army/Marines.
That is a really big drawback.
This translates to either "first place to be nuked" or "likely home of the most powerful post-apocalyptic warlord".
I'm sure this applies to your situation, too.
[1] Kinda. That won't be permanent, either. Scavengers have taken to the high seas countless times throughout history. Hell, the Philistines! Same deal.
And who will do their bidding during / after those end times?
Oh, the irony if two gay men were the only option left to repopulate the world.
One would assume that one or both (for genetic diversity!) would fall on their swords for the benefit/continuance of humanity.
Right?
Or when money ceases to have any meaning.
When do you think a billionaire last heard the word "no"? Perhaps they think that people actually like them for reasons beyond money?
I feel super skeptical about these "billionaire survival" compounds because they are going to require a lot of work for survival (read: hired hands). And where are these hands going to come from? If SHTF won't their pilots, drivers, security details, maids, cooks, gardeners, maintenance/mechanics crews, etc abandon them to tend to their own families? Or are these billionaires finding orphans who have no allegiance to anyone but the billionaires? Not to mention this is going to require some kind of "military style" command to prevent mutiny and ensure compliance under the threat of force. Sure, the billionaires can bury themselves in a comfortable (even luxury) bunker eating dehydrated rations for many many years, but I think I'd rather die that point. They can hide out on their yachts for about week before they run out of diesel and food, and then crew commits a mutiny.
It all seems like a really stupid expensive LARP or Howard Hughes style paranoia. IMO if SHTF for real those bunkers are worthless.
Unless you are quite literally at the airport when the news breaks then you'd have hard time reaching it to jet to NZL
Those who fled to Fiji BVI etc did so after the first wave had ended by July 2020
Minions wearing electric shock collars.
"They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy Seals to make their way to his compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards once even his crypto was worthless? What would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader?"
"The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep...
My favorite quote, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?". These oligarchs even talk about trying to control people with food or maybe bombs on their necks.
Jesus. Maybe don't be an antisocial dick your whole life, and you wouldn't be in this mess.
I assume this is what you're referring to?
>The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed “in time”.
Bomb collars weren't explicitly mentioned.
There's some neat details in this. Really curious how a door like this opens. And curious about the purpose/logistics of a 320,000 gallon water tank. If you have independent power you can just pump well water or filtered ocean water, yeah? Though maybe "external water sources are irradiated to an extent that distillation/filtration are impractical" is part of the design spec...
The first thing those locals are going to do if society actually breaks down is find those water and air intakes (that they built!) and shut them down. The latter by lighting a garbage can full of plastic on fire and flushing the inhabitants out. If they actually have an active life support system with CO2 recycling, the locals will just destroy the bunker from the outside because... well... we've been quarrying giant blocks of rock for thousands of years. It's not that hard when you've got unlimited physical access. Even the steel door is a minor barrier when you don't have fortified towers or parapets to defend from.
The question is whether the island has enough explosives on it or whether the locals would have to boat over to a bigger one to borrow some. If not, a cheap jack hammer would make quick work of the bunker but even if they were reduced to wood fires and a single pickaxe it wouldn't take more than a few weeks to pick the structure apart using prehistoric techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-setting
If it's just a standard blast door, captured hinges with grease. You just pull it open, and a cam pulls it closed tight. If it's a sliding door, you can use bearings, cams and screw gears. For very large doors that swing open they'll still use captured hinges, with hydraulics to actuate it, but humans can still close it themselves.
> And curious about the purpose/logistics of a 320,000 gallon water tank.
The same purpose as towns that have water tanks. You'll still pump water into the tank slowly, but you need a much smaller pump capacity to slowly fill it. And it's way more efficient to distribute the water using the force of gravity; it would be very difficult to distribute lots of water at the speed needed to maintain adequate water pressure. The tank's excess capacity allows you to service peak usage easily, and operates in the absence of electricity. Work smarter, not harder.
If extradimensional aliens are invading, maybe it wasnt soo useful.
I suppose it depends on the collapse scenarios it's designed to protect against. In a nuclear war, I doubt they'll be many left outside to challenge their little monarchy.
Hawaii is an unusual place in that it's not particularly left wing in certain ways - i.e. lower class communities of color tend to be unusually right-wing - but uprisings against perceived slights by the rich, especially rich mainlanders, are a cherished tradition. There's nothing Zuck can do with that property that won't trigger some kind of scandal.
A big compound also pretty much requires around the year security/crew/maintenance so it will very likely bring some local jobs after the construction too.
lol
That was Walter Gibson, not Larry Ellison. Ellison bought it from Dole, as they phased out pineapple production in the h1980s. Ellison owns 98% of the island.
If the world does end, and all that remains of humanity are the billionaires eating canned food down in their bunkers, and sleeping with their guns, it will all be quite hilarious.
Funnier still will be when they run out of canned food, and they fight one another for survival.
It's a pity no one will be able to see that. They should make the movie now.