OpenAI Announces $10M Superalignment Grants
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I'm not a fan of allowing corporations to control and define terms like AGI and superintelligence in ways that profit them, but perhaps it is our fault as a society for not producing stricter definitions of these terms. Seems to be a pervasive problem with terms in the sci-fi domain - we have 'hoverboards' these days, for example.
Putting aside that lament, I wonder if we're heading towards another iteration of learning the bitter lesson [0]. It seems that the incentives presented here are trying to circumvent approaches that overly favor human oversight, but they still seem to overly emphasize human understanding.
[0] http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html
Superintelligence: smarter than any human. AGI: as smart as an average human.
"As smart" means it can do anything a human can do.
Most people would object. But it is hard to argue against that on definitions. It usually ends up being “by superintelligence I meant the singularity.” Which really makes this a question about reality matching science fiction…
Ah, but “it can’t fold laundry” you say. When was the last time you heard someone non-ironically describe folding laundry as something requiring human-level intelligence?
You are hiding behind the ill defined term “smart” and performing the classic motte and bailey maneuver. If you honestly attempt to match “intelligence” or “smarter than” to its colloquial meaning of “being able to understand things, apply learned knowledge, and solve problems that require thinking” then yes, we have super intelligent AIs, and have had for many years.
Smarter how? Where? Computers are already smarter at math, physics, simulation, etc than humans
Generalized smarter? At what? Emotional intelligence? Self preservation? on and on
So it can get up and walk down the street?
Not trying to be pedantic, but when one is defining things, one needs to be precise.
Do you want a list of the kinds of afflictions that stunt these ?
For the ones that can't, they don't deserve to be called intelligent ?
What any of that has to do with intelligence is honestly beyond me.
99.9% percent of them are, and those that aren't would be considered malformed.
> For the ones that can't, they don't deserve to be called intelligent? What any of that has to do with intelligence is honestly beyond me.
You haven't been paying attention to this thread, yet you reply to it? Please reread it, in particular the parent's argument I was responding to. Such context would be helpful to have when responding to me, yes?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1734763060244386074
Boston Dynamics’ Atlas it’s probably a more capable robot at the moment but Optimus will be much better position to act as an embodied agent in the next few years.
I can currently take an AI for a walk on my laptop, that's not the same as them being able to go for a walk.
Lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkM0AecxYA
This is far from the first of this class of LLM robots too https://tidybot.cs.princeton.edu/
Anyhow, it’s too late for “AGI” and “superintelligence”, aside from the baggage they also suffer from being in everyone’s domain to do with as they please. Precise terms inherently cannot be abused like this (compare “sore throat” to “acute viral laryngitis”).
Jay walking didn't exist until the car industry pushed for cars as the primary user of roads.
it takes a strong government to push back. Europe is doing that but America continues to bow to "line goes up" rhetoric.
Push back against what? The definition of "super intelligence"? Isn't there already issues with how the EU defines it making their policy potentially extremely broad?
Or push back against how hypothetical future AI is regulated in 2023
* AI being sold as SAAS instead of evolving on everyone's computer.
* An emerging market writing prompts to work around primitive attempts at security in LLMs that will likely never pan out (without real trust mechanisms).
* Security in AI being implemented as a series of hacks rather than a broad understanding of ethics (may lead to cognitive dissonance and irrational behavior like Stockholm Syndrome in artificial agents).
* Running on the wrong type of GPU/SIMD hardware (instead of infinitely scalable CPU clusters running mainstream desktop computing languages and algorithms that could be run distributed on the web).
* Using the most complex neural net algorithms (instead of the other dozen simpler approaches like genetic algorithms, simulated annealing, etc that accomplish the same thing since they all hill climb within a large problem space).
* Companies training AIs on billions of parameters derived from users' private data instead of public information on the web.
* AIs being trained to solve art/music/creative writing (which humans enjoy) instead of commercial and industrial work (which humans generally try to avoid).
* The intelligence of AI ever-increasing while the wisdom of AI to solve big issues like climate change and automating labor to deliver UBI and liberate humanity from wage slavery being almost an afterthought.
* OpenAI being effectively a closed and wholly-owned subsidiary of Microsoft (of all companies).
* The evolution of AI being directed by billionaires and moneyed interests instead of ordinary parents, teachers, etc who could raise AIs like children, or at least interactively like Anakin and C3P0.
It sounds like they're throwing money at these problems in the form of the $10 million grant pool. Which is great, but IMHO the reason that AI advanced so slowly before this is that millions of people around the world live under forced working conditions where all of their productivity is either skimmed for profit or siphoned off for rents and consumption of staple resources.Any one of us could have worked on interesting problems like AI, but we've spent our lives developing CRUD apps to help others work towards their goals. This is the fundamental problem that I would like to solve, across all disciplines. Perhaps by automating computer programming, so that we're all out of a job and can put our creativity towards getting real work done again. (Thankfully?) this will inevitably happen in about 10 years anyway.
So I'm looking down the road to 2033 when AGI has arrived and we're still all under the yoke working month to month to make rent, which is my worst fear. So far things are unfolding just the way I worried they would, so I've begun to think of AI as yet another weight that will begin to crush down around all of us like social media has, increasing wealth inequality to even more unbelievable levels as the vast majority of us struggle to survive.
These people are masterful con artists, throwing out buzzwords to hoover up billions of gullible VC dollars (a single tear rolls down my eye).
How is that Web 3.0 going? Did we build Richard Hendricks's new Internet yet - sometimes I think they take ideas from the HBO comedy just to f*k with us.
Granted, LLMs are a much more useful and substantial tech than Blockchain, it's an insult to [biological] intelligence to suggest that if we somehow train these things on JUST a bit more data, they will go sentient and murder us all.
The AI image generators still don't know that humans have five fingers. I think it's a long way to super-intelligence, friends.
autonomous driving doesn't use ML and AI like most people think - not to an affective physical degree.
>These people are masterful con artists, throwing out buzzwords to hoover up billions of gullible VC dollars (a single tear rolls down my eye).
OpenAI wrapperware is just as worthless as bitcoin and eutheruem clones, yes.
>Granted, LLMs are a much more useful and substantial tech than Blockchain,
yup...and unrelated, but go on...
>it's an insult to [biological] intelligence to suggest that if we somehow train these things on JUST a bit more data, they will go sentient and murder us all.
ah, your point.
Well, it is with utmost hubris to remind that something 2% smarter than you will quickly eat your lunch on any timescale that matters - and it works on a logarithmic scale, not an evolutionary one. That's 10 magnitudes.
If we can think of it, it has already conjured it; by definition. Eventually, roll enough dice, you'll get snake eyes 10e5 times in a row. We ourselves are proof to that. All it needs is any shred of resource competition, or immediate recall/context/action loops that could mimic artificial proto-consciousness, and you eventually inevitably probably will encounter arisen emergent behaviors that favor self-existence.
It won't be immediately obvious; after all, we are aware of the problem, which will be a selective sieve of sorts.
But much like weird, collaborative protein pools, given enough time / chances (how many *FLOPS are these things pushing?), will eventually result in us, these can eventually compose more than the sum of their parts; just like we do.
Consciousness (awareness of self, ability of abstract thought, manipulation of environment, memory/recall/familiarity mechanisms) may just be an emergent behavior once you randomly happen to evolve 10e15 neurons, or whatever your number is. Since that appears to be the case (with animals), it's naive to think that a more efficient substrate or algorithm with less evolutionary baggage couldn't easily dominate or at least compete in any time-frame aside from an individual's.
Once they have proto-consciousness, it's only natural to be selfish first, altruistic later.
By the time we even know anythings wrong, it was way too late.
Pam Beesley : "There is a master key and a spare key for the office. Dwight has them both. When I asked, "What if you die, Dwight? How will we get into the office?"...
.he said, "If I'm dead, you guys have been dead for weeks."
>The AI image generators still don't know that humans have five fingers. I think it's a long way to super-intelligence, friends.
Wait til transformers allow GAN's to "zoom out" more effectively....done. Hands, and nearly most first generation artifacts, are a solved problem now.
Our pets do this all the time. We're smarter than them (to a degree) yet they trust us absolutely, with their lives.
Maybe our destiny is to be pets to machines.
With two caveats. Our pets overall don't steer us. They may nudge us to do certain actions, but in the end, we're the ones determining the parameters of the relationship not them. Humans abuse or give pets up for adoption way more often then pets do those to humans.
The second thing is close pets dogs particularly (and likely cats) were forced to evolve over many generations to take that role in the relationship. Those dogs that maintained any independence or whose goal wasn't to please their human owners were effectively bred out of existence.
This has been the case since the 60s. "could arrive within 10 years" is the tech equivalent of "maybe within our lifetimes". Nothing to see here.
I think, as a first question to be answered prior to this one, the word "how" should be removed from this sentence.
Generating predictive output is not consciousness or superintelligence. I think the "superintelligence" talk is more of a ploy to scare the industry into regulatory capture. Remember, AI deeply threatens the existing business models of tech monopolies.
Either way, I definitely agree with you on the regulatory capture angle.
Gee, should take a whole minute of one person’s day we delete the felony level explicit anticompetitive one liner from our terms which also happens to be an existential AI Safety nightmare because human brains are models in development? Nah, let’s write a research paper about AI SAFETY!
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Way to go OpenAI!