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Andre Braugher: Brooklyn Nine-Nine's Captain Raymond Holt Dies Aged 61

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This makes me feel sad. I'm sad!

Brooklyn Nine-Nine will never be the same without him. He carried the role as Captain Raymond Holt so well.

Brooklyn Nine-Nine was cancelled 2 years ago of course its not going to be the same

You know that's not what they meant.

OK what do they meant ? How would Brooklyn Nine-Nine change in any shape or form when Andre Braugher is dead considering its cancelled ? It wont.

The scene "Wuntch is dead! Bagel!" seems less funny today than it did yesterday.

Part of an observer’s perception of a cultural artifact comes from the observer’s knowledge and experiences, which can include knowledge about the people who made the artifact. It can change over time as the observer changes. Learning of a performer’s death can be such a change.

I would not think that Brooklyn 99 qualifies as a "cultural artifact".

But I think I get what you mean. I think that what GP (and you) were referring to was the act of watching the show, which would remind the watcher of Andre Braugher's death.

> I would not think that Brooklyn 99 qualifies as a "cultural artifact".

Why wouldn't it be?

For it to be considered as such I think that it would need to be easily recognised by a relatively large portion of the world compared to other shows. Anecdotal but I have only 1 friend who watched B99, but almost all of my friends would be able to recognise actors/scenes from Breaking Bad even if they haven't watched the show itself. Breaking Bad is referenced a lot in pop culture, much more so than B99 (an example I can think of would be the rehashing of the sentence "This is the moment when [Walter White] became [Heisenberg]").

The same can be said of The Office. People have been exposed to it enough that they can recognize a scene from it based on the production style even if they have never watched the show. I do not think Brooklynn 99 is at that stage yet. Perhaps it will reach it in the future.

This has nothing to do with the merits of B99 though. I personally think it is a great show. It has good characters, fantastic actors, decent writing and an alright overarching plot. But I would not call it a cultural artifact (yet).

Yeah, that's not how culture works, or ever worked. You don't need to be omni-dominant in a "large portion of the world". Most works of culture are seen, read, or heard by a relatively small part of the world, and they all contribute strands to a larger tapestry. Some strands are wider ("most influential") and/or longer ("remembered longer") than others, but every strand is part of culture. If you were to pick up a guitar and started singing at the local pub then that's culture too. No, it's not the reach of the Rolling Stones or whatnot, but that doesn't mean it's not culture.

So by your definition is this comment thread itself a cultural artifact. Your definition of the phrase cultural artifact is lenient enough to allow for that.

After all, this thread was seen by a relatively small part of the world and it contributes to the "larger tapestry" (ie the hacker news post).

Well, yes.

By George I think you’ve got it.

I wouldn’t think it’s worth elevating the phrase “cultural artifact” just to put it out of reach for TV shows, but whatever.

Actually, I too thought the GP was referring to future seasons.

They were (I believe). It's the "of course its not going to be the same" part that's OP just being a smart-ass. Only the first part of the sentence was needed.

Besides, even if they did know the show was cancelled, it still impacts how one views the show knowing one of it's major cast members is dead. Same with Matt Perry (Chandler) passing away recently - that knowledge will forever change Friends, despite the last season being in 2004.

The show ended already

One of my favourite sitcom characters and Andre has did a great job with the way his character development over time. Gone way too soon. Nine nine!

Frank Pendleton in the box was some of the best TV ever

Remember: You have the right to be silent ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DH4FdxKCNg

Didn't watch Homicide until last year, and at first it was really jarring to see Braugher as Pembleton because it's such a different character from Holt. And that's of course praise for Braugher because he did such a great job with two completely different characters.

I often remember and laugh to the scene when Captain Raymond Holt adds a signature at the end of every text message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylV7QtfkBFQ

Goodbye Frank Pembleton, we'll always remember how you saluted Crosetti :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAgn6BxqPN0

:'(, 61 is no age at all

He was also in Men of a Certain Age, a great show about 3 guy friends approaching the age of 50: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NbS1aPzI0, with Ray Romano and Scott Bakula.

Sadly there's only 2 seasons of it.

Sometimes the best shows are the ones with just two seasons. Great stuff, no filler, no suffering from trying to extend the run.

I really enjoyed Men of a Certain Age. Highly recommend it. Rest in peace Andre Braugher.

Andre Braugher memorably acted out the near-death of his character Pembleton, from a stroke, and afterwards the consequences of a stroke like impaired speech. Really an unforgettable performance.

First Chandler and now Captain Holt :'(

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