Porn company makes millions by shaming porn consumers
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The applicable rule, in federal court, is Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11.
b) Representations to the Court. By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper—whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it—an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:
If I get harassing phone calls from 911-867-6309 shouldn't I should be able to file suit and subpoena the phone company to discover who has the number?
Sorry, but they have a reasonable basis to believe infringing is occuring, and a reasonable basis that it was done from the internet connection in your house. If you want to try to convince the jury that Colombian drug dealers hacked your wifi, knock yourself out.
Shutting for sarcastic not offensive :)
Beyond which, fighting a 6 figure lawsuit rather than taking a 4 digit settlement can be a dangerous gamble, especially if the copyright infringement did actually take place.
Not to say that I agree with what they're doing, but I can certainly understand why people just take the settlement and move on.
if (shame)
But it's almost certainly this:
if (bankruptcy_risk || shame)
History of RIAA settlements-- where prudishness wasn't a factor-- supports my interpretation.
Furthermore, savings held by the average American supports short-circuiting on bankruptcy_risk and not the other way around.
Edit: clarification
Plus, now that people heard about Strike 3 Holdings, breach happening in: 10, 9, 8, 7 ....
Same goes for downloading torrents even for free. It's the same stuff you see going directly to dozens or hundreds of sites, for free. Maybe you get 70 minutes of it but watch just 12. Even without considering possible legal liability, why bother?
Are you watching it right now?
Anyway you're right, it makes no sense to me now that there's streaming. Why wold you ever be caught with anything on your machine, or in your house?
We are actually the first generation since the invention of clay pots to avoid the awkward problem of discovering your kids' porn collection.
Kinky ;)
I think two things, first, these people downloading videos from torrents might not be aware what they're doing is illegal (and it might not even actually be illegal - just because a lawyer sends you a letter, it doesn't mean you're breaking the law...).
Second, if you like a particular porn star, you want to see their videos, and porn is star driven. It's the same reason Jordans cost so much more than your average sneaker and people line up for them. It's the same reason why Taylor Swift tickets cost so much more than Pink tickets, etc.
People bought it because they wanted to support it. They wanted to feel like they were part of a community and get access to stuff hot off the press. There were people who were fans of the directors and models. Similar to how people go see movies by a certain director when they are released.
There was definitely a high rate of churn (people who would only pay for a month at a time), but there were also the whales who would buy up subscriptions to all of the sites we had.
We also innovated live pay per minute in HD. No other way to get it without paying for it.
Other than waiting for someone to record and upload it on xvideos
Recording it isn't the same.
So if you have been watching porn for a decade or two, and you know exactly what scratches the itch, then you can drop $30 or so to get more of just that. And if you are bad enough with your finances to let that subscription charge a few extra months, that can add up to a very good profit.
And maybe you just really appreciate a studio! Maybe you like the way they work with talent. Maybe you are tired of the "mainstream" trends, and want to vote with your wallet. If you think of porn subscription more like a donation model, it makes plenty of sense.
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And then there is VR. A good-bitrate 7K video looks incredible, but it's also pretty huge. Piracy just isn't competitive yet.
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Finally, there are webcam services. You can't pirate interaction. That's really all there is to it.
The same happens every day in every criminal court, when prosecutors throw lots of bullshit charges at defendants to motivate a plea deal. Maybe that's an effective way to reach roughly the right result without a trial, but it's still wrong.
Whilst I think a lot of companies bring bittorrent upon themselves[1], as it were, I'm not entirely convinced I'm quite as outraged by this particular company's conduct as I expected to be when I clicked through to the story.
[0] The ethics here can become decidedly contentious very quickly.
[1] And if you want to know what I mean by companies bringing bittorrent upon themselves, take a look at this discussion and the linked article, currently also on the front page of HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38613154. I could feel my blood starting to boil as I read.
1. They're being hypocritical. They're making porn that they presumably stand by artistically, and don't believe is "wrong" in some way but are then using the shame of watching it to control people.
2. Linked to 1. they're engaging in blackmail. Pay this hefty fine or we associate your name online with watching porn. They're not just taking this through the courts, they're threatening a public shaming (according to the article at least).
3. The demands are disproportionate and seem to be targetted at how much the firm can get people to settle for rather than redress any actual harm done.
I think it helps to look at how people in society in general judge the problem to use as a baseline here. Most (unverified, my belief/experience) people never had a problem with home taping of music, either for listening to in the car or giving a copy to a friend. Same with CDs. In the UK there are strict limits as to how long you're allowed to keep something taped off the TV that almost no-one ever payed any attention to. Back when software was distributed on CD no-one I know ever had an issue with sharing it around to their friends.
Simply, "piracy" isn't seen as a big deal. People just don't see it as stealing (after all, it's /not/ like stealing a car because you're not denying the owner the actual use of the original), or if they do it's like stealing something harmless that no-one will ever suffer from.
Undoubtedly people who "pirate" copyrighted material have broken some law, but then demanding $5000 with a threat to publicly shame people if they don't pay up is a pretty significant thing to do and disproportionate to the harm the copyright owner has sufferred, considering the status of piracy in society.
*edit The limits on home taping of TV seem to have changed. I believe there was a definite limit, however there is not one now, but there is provision for "Recording of broadcasts for the purposes of listening to or viewing at a more convenient time, this is known as "time shifting""
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66697744/yout-llc-v-rec...
Blockbuster films? Music? Well, you can stream them on one of the 3-5 services. There is just enough of a product to compete with piracy.
Amateur content? We have YouTube, which promises to pay content creators, so long as the content isn't obscene (as defined by YouTube's content policy, and enforced by its algorithmic moderation). There is enough of a product that both creators and viewers are willing to compromise.
Porn? Not a chance. There are the MindGeek services, which are basically YouTube with garbage-bitrate encoding; and there is piracy. Right up until the infamous PornHub purge, piracy was the only game in town!
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When it comes to porn, if your content isn't freely available on a popular tube site, it may as well not exist. Piracy is the advertising model for the porn industry.
There is a reason that PornHub's bitrate is so bad. It's clearly not just the bandwidth: every video on that site looks like it went through every lossy codec in order, just to make it as chunky as possible. Why? Because you aren't meant to stay. You are meant to pay $30 for a monthly subscription to the studio you like most. As soon as you do that, you get a DRM-free high-bitrate 4K@60 download-as-much-as-you-want as-many-times-as-you-want service. In other words: exactly what Netflix, Spotify, YouTube, and the Digital Copyright industry at large would have us believe is the most unsustainable business model ever, doomed to fail instantly; yet somehow it hasn't failed yet.
But what about torrents? What about eporner and hqporner and all the other high-bitrate obviously-ripped-from-studio-subscription streaming sites? Aren't they killing the industry? They have been around for decades, yet the industry has been chugging along without a hitch.
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It's abundantly clear that the DMCA hasn't done porn any favors. The only thing it is useful for is to expand MindGeeks moat, and for DMCA trolls like this (Strike 3) to exploit regular people who were just participating in the more "obscene" corners of our digital society.
Ironically I liked their videos enough to be a paying member of one of their websites (even for 2 years before the lawsuit hit me). But downloading torrents was much more convenient, so I foolishly (and without VPN) opted to torrent.
They used Dade County (Florida) court house to send mass accusations (not individual ones as is standard law practice). The lawyer said that letting them know I was a paying member might make them put the screws on me for being the cause of distribution or something, so I silently paid the money and moved on.
Frustrating that they can bypass standard law practice by finding a scumbag courthouse that is willing to ignore due process.
That sounds like the real estate industry. The agent selling you the house is not on your side. The agent helping you buy the house is not on your side. And they're both vaguely colluding to get you pay quickly.
I know that a lot of people have valid reasons for wanting to make this type of thing go away as quietly as possible, but I personally have no problem talking about my porn consuming habits on public record. I owned an adult website for 20 years, it was my primary source of income for 15... so that's already on record and my employers know etc.
Even for less than 10k I would be tempted to fight it on principle, but litigation is extremely expensive and stressful, so I understand why many would choose the less expensive option. Which is what these assholes prey upon. I'm sure they are also "willing to settle" for FAR less than the damages they are actually threatening you with. Which is why step #1 is to consult with a lawyer to explore options and find out if they actually have a case (from TFA it sounds like they usually don't).
1) no other traffic going over that VPN at the same time, so the IP can't be linked to you at that time
2) ensure all your porn traffic goes over the VPN, and never accidentality over your actual IP, keeping an eye on things like dns leaking
You have to be lucky every time, they have to be lucky once.
It certainly won't hurt mask your online presence, but it's not the end of the story, or even the end of the beginning
How much effort are these bottom feeders going to put in, when there's so many hapless imbeciles to exploit with no effort?
If most people did, VPNs would either be illegal or extremely heavily regulated. Just like they are in countries where VPNs are almost mainstream.
Yes, you have created an extra hop. One that bottom feeders will not take. The NSA or CCP might, though.
So basically blackmailing using Epstein’s business model with different type of contents and audience plus the help of the rigged legal system.
It's all in the article.
This is tort, not crime.
> Using courts to enforce sanctions against monetary losses due to illegal activity ought to be encouraged.
Using unreliable means which target the innocent and a strategy based on reputational harm irrespective of truth to coerce settlement isn’t addressing monetary losses due to illegal activity. It is a practice which by deisgn avoids isn't directed well at actual illegal activity and avoids any consideration of whether there are actual monetary losses.
> The government ought to take more action to prevent theft as well.
This isn't about theft at all.
> That's what the law says.
It would be irrelevant if it were, but its also literally not what the law says.
> I fail to see why he should be painted as a bad guy for 'shaming' people for stealing.
The issue isn't stealing, and it as a major hughlighted aspect of this thr method by which the targets are identified does not, even approximately, reliably identify the person tesponsible for targeted activity.
Is the law clear? I thought it was only illegal to upload. Don't people get in trouble with torrents only because BT clients upload while they download? Has something changed over the years?
If people stopped settling, or the settlement amounts dropped significantly, then Strike 3 wouldn't even bother. They want the easy settlement money. And if people stopped the stealing, Strike 3 would probably be pretty unhappy.