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In that case consoles from Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo?

Why stop there? Smart TV manufacturers? Cars?

Yes. Given time. Take down all of these stupid walled gardens. People should own their devices and the manufacturer should have absolutely no say in what applications they install, from where they get those, or who they do business with, and should not have the ability to tax all usage of the device post-sale. You know, just like PCs.

Since you brought up the TV analogy - how would you feel about being forced to pay a Samsung tax every time you buy new groceries for your Smart Fridge? That's basically what Apple does. So they can, respectfully, get fucked.

Yes please. Lock it up for consumers all they want but let people who want to tinker, tinker.

And you can do that today by buying an Android device

Why do you defend apples 30% tax on ios apps, and being the sole approver of what apps you can install on your device?

Maybe he is an Apple shareholder. There isn't really another logical explanation.

Msybe other people don’t really care that they can’t run apps on the AirPods?

People have agency to buy devices that meet their needs and desires, yet they purposefully buy devices that are on average twice as expensive than the literally hundreds of alternatives and then complain.

Why if you wanted to sideload wouldn’t you buy an Android phone? Why buy a game console and complain about it being locked down instead of just buying a gaming PC?

>Msybe other people don’t really care that they can’t run apps on the AirPods?

Okay this is one of the worst strawman arguments I've ever seen. Surely the closest ios comparison to an android phone isn't AirPods. Maybe the iPhone?

Well, there you have it. If you want a mobile device that is open to side loading - do like the other 85% of the world does and buy an Androud phone.

Would you also buy a moped and complain that you couldn’t tow your fishing boat with it?

No. I think it shows an extreme lack of agency for someone to buy an Apple device that doesn’t meet their priorities instead of choosing one of the hundreds of Android devices?

Walled gardens make it very difficult to move.

It's like living in a place where solar panels are illegal to install and you're suggesting to move house. How about we remove silly restrictions?

Yes. If I bought and paid for something I own it and should be able to run whatever software I want on it. Anything less makes it not my device anymore.

And you bought a device knowing its limitations when you had other options…

The point is that these artificial "limitations" should not be allowed to exist. We already figured this out for most consumer goods decades ago, it's time to do the same for computers.

Why do you care if other people - 60% in the US could care less about “open ecosystems” when you have a choice not to buy one?

And have you actually paid attention to the trade off of “openness” on PCs? Viruses, malware, ransomware, etc?

if the Smart TV or Cars run Android (TV or Auto) then this case should extend to them too

Why just Android TV? Why not Roku and PalmOS?

And regulatory agencies and car manufacturers are never going to let you install what you want on car screens.

And this is fine. Devices with different purposes require different regulations.

Or just maybe don’t buy devices that don’t meet your needs?

What happens when no devices meet your needs, but you don't have an option?

It's nearly impossible to do certain things without a cell phone nowadays. For example, without a cell phone I literally can't pay for electricity or heating on my apartment.

I dislike both Android and iOS. But there's no option. I picked the lesser of two evils out of necessity.

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