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OPEC members keep climate accords from acknowledging reality

arstechnica.com

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I wonder if this will be the last COP. The complete capture by fossil fuel interests has been disgraceful. Next year’s will be in another corrupt pterostate, Azerbaijan, and almost didn’t have a host country as another corrupt and collapsing petrostate, Russia, was vetoing every choice up to the very end.

These people will do whatever is possible to not be prevented from getting off of fossil fuels. It’s up to nations consuming fossil fuels to destroy demand for them as fast as possible. Make fossil fuels as valuable as rocks. Onward [1] [2].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38593642

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38595107

I mean for many of them being wealthy with global warming’s consequences is better than being peasants in a better world. There are no incentives for them to cooperate. The sooner we accept that they won’t go willingly, the better for our future.

They are refusing to acknowledge that everyone will suffer if the climate heats up too much. There is no escape.

There is no escape tomorrow, but for today they live like (and in many cases literally are) kings.

Irrelevant to them.

Can we agree on reducing fossil fuel consumption by 90%? I tend to agree that a literal total end to fossil fuel consumption is impractical (even though it is necessary, we need alternatives that we don't have at scale yet or else we will have deaths at a massive scale).

But a good first step is to make our consumption a tenth of what it is today.

The article mentions a handful of difficult cases like international shipping, which could be addressed through carbon capture.

But I don’t think the people opposing the phase out are fiddling over 90% or 100%.

We are still increasing the usage of fossil fuels.

We won’t reach the peak for a few more years

The COPxx are just a sham. The next COP, COP29 will be hosted by Azerbaijan, another oil producing country.

They should rename it FFFTW: Fossil Fuels For the Win or something like that.

Just for future reference, while the "phase out" words were missing, they added "transition away from fossil fuels," they reaffirmed on the 1.5C goal. It gaveled a decision which acknowledges fossil fuel's overriding role in climate change.

But since Ars got its nut from the righteous indignation there wont be a follow-up or correction to the article.

Funnily, if it hadn't been such an opinionated article there would be no need for a correction. But that doesn't sell page-views.

There were 70,000 attendees to COP28

https://unfccc.int/process-and-meetings/conferences/un-clima...

Any conference with 70,000 people attending (probably most of them flying) is totally unserious about actually solving climate change.

The alternative is that the agreement mentions phase-out, but only lip service is paid to that objective. At least we now know categorically where we stand.

Serious question: Where would be the best place to try to buy land now?

I now assume we won't do enough to mitigate serious climate change.

Let's spill the beans to the main group well known for spiking house prices haha.

Wait--I know you're joking but who do you mean?

Only somewhat joking...tech people are known to move en masse somewhere, spike house and rental prices, displace the people who live there or near there due to the high prices, ruin whatever community and culture existed there before. Latest well known victim is Austin.

great lakes region

chicago has been doing major earthmoving to mitigate floods and there's plenty of room for development.

if you want to be away from the cities there's good land in michigan and canada especially as the winters ease up

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