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For context: both of these YouTubers were eventually denied stay in China and turned their channel into bashing China full time for a living.

I really valued their insight and perspective (rural China by motorcycle, for example, is not a common perspective in the west), but eventually had to unsubscribe from their toxic bitterness.

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Yeah, it's a shame they've been audience captured. At the beginning they leaned a bit to the rosy side, clearly glossing over visible negatives. Somewhere around when they left and were able to speak about good and bad but hadn't committed to a narrative was probably the point of peak value. Now they are almost comically anti-china. Ah well.

Plenty of toxic bitterness for sure, but there is signal in the noise and unless you personally know people in China who are free thinking and also consider you close enough that they would tell you things that can incriminate them this may be the only source of that signal...

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