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Ilya Sutskever has become invisible at OpenAI, his future uncertain

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At one company we worked we had a courtyard and for some reason there was a separate office outside the main complex all on it's own - we suspect it was a repurposed visitors or security center.

We then noticed that people moving into it never came back to the main building but left - we started calling it the "departure" lounge :).

He is in the "departure" lounge - he just needs to figure it out that his time at OpenAI is over.

He will be welcomed in Google, Meta,.. almost anywhere, even MS. It's not the end of the carrier, rather new beginning, or turning point. Staying at OAI may require sort of apology, which may be impossible depending of his ego size.

He did already kind of apologize though?

> I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company.

https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028

Some actions cannot be undone - hard to backstab and then say you sorry - Altman will never trust him again.

He might get a "sideways" promotion to do something that will frustrate him and make him leave on his own volition.

Exactly, he could go and train grog. But seriously, some AI companies raise with ease 100MM or even more. Guess Ilya would have no trouble to raise the same amount or even more. He knows for sure what is needed to get to GPT4 level.

better for sama if he never leaves the lounge.

pg's words proved to be true. Altman came back king of the cannibals.

Reminds of another quote: "If you aim at the king, better not miss"

I still suspect he hit his glass ceiling when he started trying to raise 100B for a middle east fab, I don't think the Feds like that very much.

Lord of the flies vibes.

The season finale of The Golden Bachelor was much better content than all this lame corporate gossip.

https://web.archive.org/web/20231209063150/https://www.busin...

Yudkowsky-derived "Safety" is probably now dead, especially as Meta completely dismantled their safety group while this shitstorm was playing out.

"Safety" now means "least risk for shareholders"

...and if you really push the question you'll get LeCun's response of "Don't worry, our AI will just kill theirs" which is hilariously dystopian but also pragmatic.

I remember going to a talk in Berkeley by Nick Bostrom about AI Control theory after reading his book Superintelligence (in 2014?). What struck me at the time was AI control theory was mostly pointless.

If you put all these guard rails around your AI to keep it from turning everyone into paperclips (etc) then it's just not YOUR AI that turns everyone into paperclips/computronium, it's the person that doesn't put those guard rails in.

Worse by putting those guard rails in you're making your AI less effective that the other guys so it can't even outcompete.

In my opinion "safety" has always been about that and it's also a projection of power. If you say "we must ensure safety from this machine" you are asserting the machine has a high level of power. People are attracted to power. Investors are attracted to power. Speaking of "safety" is implicitly speaking of power.

Well duh. The question is how to ensure humanity's safety from the power of AI, whether it is autonomous or wielded by other humans.

I'm specifically stating that to speak of safety is to speak of power. And to speak of power is to attract investment and those who seek power. Speaking of "Safety" is perhaps not to actually seek to 'protect humanity', but rather to advertise dominance.

These safety groups seem to be mostly concerned with making sure LLMs don't say bad words, not with preventing FOOM!.

Is this real? Come on guys the drama unfolded “a few days ago” where Sam future was turning invisible. Now everything is out of A sudden set in stone? Wake up. It’s a drama show … part 2 to be continued

This is just our version of celebrity gossip.

Click baiters gonna clickbait. Probably not worth getting upset about at this point, just recognize these journalists are playing their own game.

Thank you but why was my comment downvoted?

probably because people who clicked on this particular link were the people who were interested in the drama and your comment added nothing of value to the discussion they wanted to have

Because people here eat this shit right up, unfortunately.

Hahahahaha

So nothing changed?

Ilya did soemething that is highly unforgivable. He betrayed his friends for an ideal. Greg and Sam trusted him. That is the only reason he is being pushed out and I believe it is a good thing for both. Ego is in the way for everyone right now but in the end, Ilya will be better off. Hopefully he can walk away with some money and take some time to think where he wants to go next. Maybe teach the next group of kids? We need great minds in the Universities. Even if he has crazy woke ideas.

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