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In order to be able to live together we need to learn our history, and of course being Palestinian myself i am biased, but I think the Israelis in particular need to learn their history, have you watched the documentary Tantura btw? you can find it here https://archive.org/details/tantura_2022.

Israel needs to first admit that it's establishment was on the expense of another people that are still suffering until today, without that, it's difficult to move forward, as well as continuing this conversation.

> Don't you think it may be useful to use a different slogan from the people who mean and do that?

Maybe, I don't know what else can it be! the slogan is not calling for killing anyone, FREEDOM = Dignity, Human Rights, I personally just want to be able to go to the beach and travel from an airport nearby.

> But we can't. There won't be a one-state solution that satisfies everyone....

Why not?

>The right of return for every descendant won't work

Why not?

> In order to be able to live together we need to learn our history

Strong disagree. History is important, but we need to solve present problems. It is possible to live a good life without returning to grandpa's home from 80 years ago. And while Israel did shitty things in 1948, I don't think Jordan or other Arab countries did better. It's impossible to say, but if the proposed borders were accepted, I'm pretty sure there would be much less suffering from both sides.

> I personally just want to be able to go to the beach and travel from an airport nearby.

But other Palestinians want more. You could get your beach in Camp David, any peace attempts included as much, and the disagreement never was around freedom of movement of Palestinians.

> Why not?

Because that would mean to displace people currently living there. Two wrongs do not make a right. And Jews were minorities in many different countries, and it turned out not that good many times. Specifically, Jews had to flee multiple Arabic countries not that long ago. How can we be sure it won't happen again?

> > In order to be able to live together we need to learn our history

> Strong disagree. History is important, but we need to solve present problems.

I'll go a step further. All history surrounding this must be forgotten, to move forward. There are grievances and counter-grievances, ancestral claims and counter-claims, and conflicting divine proclamations. Those have to all be thrown away, and instead consider only the current situation.

There was a war, you lost. There is no right to return for you anymore than I have a right to return to nowadays Polish Silesia. We had a term for these people in Germany - the "forever refugees", there aren't many left because even then people rightly realized to break the chain of violence is to build your life in the circumstances you found yourself in.

(And guess what, now I can go to Polish Silesia anytime I want! Not that I ever would, because my connection to that place is as tenuous as yours to Israeli land)

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