I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
Anyway, we can make a similar argument about the Netanyahu regime: it is actively making Jewish, Israeli, and American people around the world less safe. It is almost treasonous that our elected officials are supporting this dangerous regime so uncritically.
It's fully treasonous imo. Has been since Biden repeated the "beheaded babies" lie twice, even against the express disapproval of his own staff.
Ethnically cleansed in Nakba? You mean when Arab countries declared war on Israel and then lost?
Non-violent protests? You mean using molotov cocktails, rifles, and grenades?
You're describing effects but ignoring the causes.
Yes, Nakba was an ethnic cleansing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Yes, they sniped peaceful protesters at the March of Return: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_...
I encourage people to read these links for themselves.
EU nations accepted more than a million Syrians with more or less same issues along with way more Ukrainians.
But suddenly another Arab, another Muslim, immediate neighbor just coldly keeps the border shut.
Who is dominant militarily? Does it look like the U.N. is going to be able to continue the theater of pulling the reigns on Israel?
There is a logical reason as to why civilians shouldn't be used as pawns in war. It green lights all civilians and tragically opens the door to ethnic cleansing.
And yet here you are arguing that the war can't end until Israel is removed. Literally demanding the terms, and guaranteeing the results, for the removal of Palestinians. Crazy talk, from someone who pretends to have the interests of the Palestinians at heart.
As an analogy, the South African apartheid state was dominant militarily. Over time, through internal and external military and political pressure, this state was defeated and abolished. The indigenous resistance that won established a new state, after which the more violent elements withered away.
Currently, Hamas are a part of the Palestinian resistance. When apartheid ends and the resistance wins, Hamas will either change or end.
It will come to pass unless it doesn't.
If you'll forgive the glibness, all good gamblers know that the past does not predict the future.
I'd suggest that the SA State is not allegorical to Israel, except in the minds of those who have an interest of believing that to be the case. Which is fine, for them.
However, what should be pointed out is the difference between a subjective moral analogy and a military-political analogy.
I believe that the only reasonable analogy that could be subjectively held is a moral analogy, for people whose self-interest is aligned with arranging the facts just so.
However, your point correctly rests with the more pertinent political-military analysis. But I think that your analogical analysis and conclusion is off, respectfully.
The SA State was fighting against a Western Media whose general position was determined at the beginning of the American Civil War. Even still, I'd suggest that it is a mistake to believe that such pressure as they exerted on the SA State is not a choice for them. The Media, and the associated political class, can and often do ignore or otherwise force contrarian positions on governments within the context of opposing internal politics.
Second, there is the popular concept of the nature of the Israeli-Palestine conflict and then there is the military geopolitical concept of which the majority oif the population is seemingly mostly unaware.
Which is not at all related to South Africa.
What escapes the awareness of the general population will continue to drive the actions of Western governments.
Last and probably least, the Palestinians aren't indigenous.
There's nothing more dangerous than setting up camp on the most hotly contested piece of land on the planet. As unlike most anywhere else, those fighting for it will be referencing the deepest available histories to internally justify their claim. Even hidden histories, and deeper than one might think.
> Hamas are a part of the Palestinian resistance.
Repeat that POV all that you wish. They will continue to be treated as an opposition military until they no longer exist. And then their replacements will be treated as the same.
Israel kept taking more Palestinian land and expelling more Palestinians as internal refugees in an increasingly smaller space, but even then the resistance was secular and largely led by socialists.
Only much later after Israel assassinated many resistance leaders did Hamas finally emerge to fill the gap. In many ways, Hamas is Israel’s chosen enemy.
The causality I presented is correct. It’s entirely natural for indigenous people to resist their occupiers, violently if needed. The entire resistance and Hamas in particular only exist because the occupation existed in the first place.
Obviously it does not. There is a difference, however, between giving Hamas everything they want and giving Palestinians absolutely nothing, ever. Pulling back settlements and occupation from the Fatah-dominated West Bank would be a start.
I recommend optimizing for prosperity in the presence of Israel. That would be a very good choice. It’s possible to thrive, as an individual and as a people, if you stay focused on that.
I love the Palestinian people and want them to thrive. The best way to accomplish that is to love God and to love your neighbor.
Broadly speaking, the Jewish people like to be lawful (according to their own conception of the law). It’s possible to work with that system and to be successful.
People often say “It’s complicated” or “It’s intractable.” I don’t believe that at all. It’s only intractable if you dig in your heels.
Perfection doesn’t exist this side of heaven, but it is possible to live and to be happy.