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One of many AI updates from Meta yesterday: https://about.fb.com/news/2023/12/meta-ai-updates/#:~:text=E...

I clicked the link to try generating an image.

Several beautiful modal dialogs later, my Meta account has been linked to my Facebook account, my Oculus profile is now my Horizon profile, and I have chosen a publicly viewable(!?) display name for my Horizon profile (a profile for a game I have never played and never intend to play). I have been informed that my Oculus friends are now Horizon followers, given the chance to select "how social [I] want to be," asked to invite my Facebook friends to join Horizon -- and I still haven't generated an image. I almost feel like this image generator is somehow a long con to get people to update their Meta accounts.

I want to find the group of product managers responsible for this user journey and just... shake them out of it! The design you shipped is really dumb! None of this makes sense outside of Meta! There's a whole world out here! Nobody cares about Horizon Worlds!

This is also called "shipping the org chart".

People say that a lot around me. What does it mean?

“Shipping the org chart” refers to a phenomenon in product development where the structure of an organization is reflected in its products. This concept suggests that the design and functionality of a product can inadvertently mirror the internal structure of the company that created it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

It's almost beginning to resemble the UX of an enterprise application!

Bet Horizon worlds will get great engagement metrics for the next earnings release on the topic.

Note that you need to "Log On" to Facebook/Meta/WhateverTheyCallThemselvesNow to try it. Kind of curious, but not curious enough to create yet another burner Facebook account.

[edit: still learning to spell]

Thanks I should've read your post before opening the link and promptly having to close it.

How are you guys even making burner facebook accounts? Every time I try (though granted, I haven't tried since 2016), I get stymied by a hard phone number requirement.

You can get a phone number in almost every country relatively cheaply. I used one of such service (I think it was Numero or something) to order from CVS because I live in Europe and they need an American phone number (and American bank card, but that’s another story).

I tried it now.

My experience:

Took 4 minutes to log in and do one generation. (Login to FB, then it took me through a process to merge accounts with Meta, which didn't sound good, so I restarted with 'sign in via email' which ended up doing the same thing anyway, I think. Then I was logged in, did the generation.)

My at a glance is that it's:

For image quality

1. Midjourney

2. Dall e 3

3. SDXL and this

For overall ease of use and convenience

1. Dall e 3

2. Midjourney

Of course, this is all biased personal opinion, and YMMV.

Depends what you want really, Midjourney and Dall-E 3 have specific looks to them which kind of look cheap/tacky now its everywhere.

SDXL is reconfigurable and completely flexible so really its the only tool in the game for pure creativity.

What is the best tool wrapping SDXL

There is no best, it depends on your usecase. Auto1111 is popular, ComfyUI extremely flexible but complex, and there is a myriad of other wrappers, some with a focus on simplicity, some not so much.

Depends what you mean by "best", but Fooocus is very accessible for getting started with Stable Diffusion.

I find Automatic1111 better for point and click simplicity. ComfyUI has been good for custom flows.

Also Automatic1111 is more centralized, so you have to wait for something to make its way in (or a pull request for it anyhow), whereas people put up their ComfyUI custom JSON workflows. So I am doing Stable Diffusion video via ComfyUI right now, whereas it has not made its way into Automatic1111.

Btw, automatic1111 was made by a racist rimworld mod author, and directly cites 4chan as being a primary contributor!

Fun world we live in.

Like it or not 4chan's technology forum is one of the forefronts of local image gen/voice/llm model discussions, this is why the most prominent SD interface is written by a 4chan poster.

Considering the author of ComfyUI is called ComfyAnonymous and has an anime avatar it's very likely they're a 4chan poster too so maybe don't use that if it actually bothers you.

Both are very good tools for using this stuff on the cutting edge so I couldn't really care less what the authors do in their free time.

Honestly I don’t care either (about the 4chan connection anyway), but it’s a fun fact I like to roll out which surprises people

Also his rimworld mods are indefensible. A Kenosha mod about “peaceful protest” where exclusively black pawns continuously attack your colony? That’s racist bro! It’s only flown under the radar because rimworld is played mostly by individuals with ASD.

On Windows, StabilityMatrix (https://github.com/LykosAI/StabilityMatrix) is a very easy way to get any (or all) of those wrappers installed without conflicts.

Fooocus is fantastic for working out of the box.

For hackernews users definitely comfyui. Good place to start playing arround with tlcheckpoints, loras, controlnets and ipadapters.

"Not available in your location yet" (Switzerland)

> "Not available in your location yet" (Switzerland)

Have the GDPR questions around data provenance been resolved? I thought EU/EEA is currently off limits for publicly- or user-data-trained AI.

ChatGPT (free and paid) are available in the EU, so I don't think there is a blanket ban.

Different companies might have very different interpretations of the legality of what they're doing, of course. I don't think there's any precedent, and no explicit regulations – there's an "AI act" being currently discussed in parliament, though.

Not available in my region (New Zealand), darn.

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