Until the 14th century women dominated the field of beer brewing
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""" They wore the tall, pointy hats so that their customers could see them in the crowded marketplace. They transported their brew in cauldrons. And those who sold their beer out of stores had cats not as demon familiars, but to keep mice away from the grain. Some argue that iconography we associate with witches, from the pointy hat to the cauldron, originated from women working as master brewers. """
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/women-used-dominate-b...
Maybe some ancient folk memory!!
(0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witches%27_Flight
The article starts with "As the old sexist saw goes, “Beer is a man’s drink.”" Who even says that? I honestly have never met a single person who would say that. I even got laid at a beer festival once. Is the author perhaps betraying their own preconceptions?
From the depiction of the home as the woman’s sphere in medieval Northern European literature, it isn’t surprising that brewing was women’s work along with cooking in general.
https://gizmodo.com/no-medieval-people-didnt-drink-booze-to-...
No idea what the concensus is, but it also doesn't make sense that everyone drank beer instead of water. Young children almost certainly didn't drink beer. And I expect it to have been out of reach for large parts of the population: cost and availability of ingredients.
A lot of online sources cite a 1926 study that said bread can have ‘up to 1.9%’ alcohol content. This more recent study from 1998 suggests that 0.4-0.6% ethanol by mass is more typical: https://auventdunord.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/food-alco...
[1] https://www.isu.edu/news/2019-fall/no-worries-the-alcohol-bu...
"Young children almost certainly didn't drink beer." - wanna bet?
> In his A Plan for the Conduct of Female Education, in Boarding Schools published 1797, writer Erasmus Darwin agreed that "For the drink of the more robust children water is preferable, and for the weaker ones, small beer ..."
If I had a different knowledge set and easy access to beer, perhaps I would just drink it daily.
Without water I imagine there are going to be massive hangovers though.
It still is a very popular beer to drink while you eat but children don't consume it anymore. My father did tell me that when he was younger (1970-1980) they still drank it at the table in his school.
It definitely wasn't something frequent or high dosage though.
I actively started drinking with peers around the age of 12 - 14. That was in secrecy from parents though, asking homeless to buy us the goods.
After I was 14 and more, alcohol was introduced on more regular bases, but not with social pressure to drink, just was available as an option.
Decades later, I'm just a social drinker.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110306073320/http://digital.li...
>out of reach for large parts of the population
Claims that the poster base on nothing at all, but still claim it in a peremptory fashion.
> I expect it to have been out of reach
Neither of these statements are claims at all.
What's interesting here is precisely that brewing beer was a domestic job (and therefore women's work), in a way that baking bread, for example, was not.
> most villages depended on local bakers to prepare bread ... Most households alternated between making their own ale and buying from and selling to neighbors
This probably just comes down to availability of equipment. Bread making in the home has been common in places like England and India for a long time. In places like Austria and France the preference is for bread that is best from special ovens that people don't have at home, but even there people would make things like brioche at home.
Brewing is more efficient in terms of labor as you scale up to larger containers, but it's less extreme.
This myth again? You don't even need to know medieval history to figure out it is bullshit.
Think about it logically, you can not brew bear from water that is contaminated in the first place. Garbage in garbage out. If you have a safe water source, well just drink water. Also, we are talking about medieval beer with maybe 2 percent alcohol, how the hell is that going to help? That percentage is way too low to do any good.
Obviously people were mostly drinking water. I mean think of all the calories, the logistics and all. It is true though that households would brew their own bear for consumption. Export of bear would develop in the late medieval period. It is also true, that weak 2% ale was consumed a lot, just not as much a water.
I guess people just really like the idea of medieval people being shitfaced all the time.
Edd: Also most places where not very densely populated, even cities were not compared to modern time. So while water safety was a concern, it was not as big as one might think.
The idea that premodern and early modern people considered water unsafe is not, though. You can see this view all over the european primary record, and it's very clear that in many areas and for much of premodern history people preferred fermented drinks when they had access to the choice.
> Think about it logically, you can not brew bear from water that is contaminated in the first place.
This is also not strictly true, depending on what sort of contamination you're talking about. Heavy metal or contemporary chemical contamination won't be affected by the brewing process, but it will kill parasites for example. Bacterial contamination varies by the specifics and degree, but you may be better off having brewed it.
Securing clean springs and wells was a high priority for people all through history. Brewing is part of a range of techniques and technologies that were used to varying extents when they weren't able to.
"They drank beer instead of water because it was safe" is a myth but also so is "water was safe and there was no advantage to drinking beer."
People where obviously worried about water safety, yes. Fermented drinks are not guaranteed to be safe though. The 2% isn't going to do much.
The brewing process helps a bit but you you can just boil water after all.
The question is not whether water safety was a concern, it certainly was but whether people brew beer MAINLY for safety reasons. I think it is safe(!) to assume they brew beer because they liked drinking bear.
Was this widely known?
Boiling water wasn't really that necessary because the medieval period was sparsely populated and people had access to safe water sources. I am sure they would have figured out boiling water if their survival dependent on it.
We know that People generally knew about basic hygiene and applied it even if they lacked modern theory.
That didn't stop say, the sterilization effects of silver from being widely known and spread across myths.
Fewer people got sick when they drank from silver cups and silver stuff. They didn't know a thing about bacteria, but enough people drinking from enough different cups and suddenly a pattern emerges that forms the basis of a myth or legend.
> We know that People generally knew about basic hygiene and applied it even if they lacked modern theory.
Soap and its effects to destroy common pathogens (viruses and bacteria) wasn't known... but "Hygiene" became a thing as early as 400BC Roman periods because of similar patterns.
The theories we have today summarize centuries or millennia of collective experience. Not the other way around. We don't need to understand bacteria to discover how useful soap, boiling, or silver/anti-bacterial surfaces are. Instead, we use our knowledge of "silver prevents sickness", "soap prevents sickness", and "boiling prevents sickness" to help us discover a grand theory of microorganisms / bacteria.
2% of what? If you mean alcohol, that is not how fermentation works for preserving food/drinks.
Using beneficial/harmless cultures to outcompete harmful microorganisms, which is how fermentation is used to preserve food/drinks, has been the main way of preserving food across cultures. Especially before fridge, canning and and other modern industrial techniques have been possible. Yeah I do not get the "beer instead of water" thing, but I can imagine there could be a lot of situations that beer could be important to have as a water source, like traveling distances.
My assumption is that the contamination is biological, which would be fixed by the long boil required in brewing. Even with resistance to the local microflora, water was probably more likely to cause disease than a boiled derivative like beer.
> I guess people just really like the idea of medieval people being shitfaced all the time.
I've heard that the beer made then, maybe especially for consumption by peasants, had a low ABV by today's standards. High alcohol beer is a waste of grain if the goal is a slightly-more-antiseptic-than-water beverage.
You might want to reread what I wrote, yes it was only like 2 percent. The problem is, how anti-septic is 2% beer? It is not. It doesn't really help in any meaningful way.
If you want stable beer that you can transport over longer distances you want higher alcohol concentration but then again higher alcohol concentration isn't exactly great for keeping people hydrated.
It feels like you're deliberately not reading or addressing all the answers telling you that boiling water to make beer is what made it safe.
I think the fact that people just like to drink beer is a much better explanation of why did they drink so much of it. The "safer to drink" part was secondary at best.
I'm not denying that the tastiness of beer was a factor.
Ancient Egytpians, Indians and Romans understood that boiling makes water safer to drink as well (Galen even suggested using boiling water to sterilize surgical instruments).
IMHO it makes perfect sense in the context of the miasma theory (if people thought that "bad smells" were the main vector spreading diseases and illnesses and boiling water removes bad smells, improves taste etc. then it also must have made it safer to drink).
A vessel inoculated with yeast and other brewing microorganisms will make it harder for other microorganisms to take root. They'll be outcompeted by the large existing population. So a barrel of beer will tend to stay healthier than a barrel of water.
If someone drank say, 100oz of 2% abv beer over the course of the day, that's equivalent to 2.5 pints of 5% beer - hardly enough to get shitfaced.
Edit in response to your edit: density was lower but technology to manage density was less sophisticated as well. Providing clean water to a large population is a hard problem that people have had to solve lots of ways, and brewing is one of the solutions. Later, an infected city water pump led to the invention of modern epidemiology.
Not sure that's true. We have evidence that ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans (and I assume other societies) understood that boiling water made it safer to drink. Basic sand/gravel filters.
Hypocrates for instance described a method of boiling water and then filtering it through a cloth to purify it and remove "bad smells".
To be fair even if you have no clue about bacteria it's not a particularly complex concept to understand. If for instance pre modern people truly drank beer because it was safer surely at some point one of them would've asked the question why is that the case?
I hate to be that guy, but do you have a source that backs this claim?
"Think about it logically" doesn't really cut it.
By the way, this is the mainstream position among historians, it is only pop culture that hung up on the water myth.
This person is so holy that they drink water.
The very fact that it was a sign of unusual holiness to drink water seems to undermine the point. It's like saying "in the 2020s people mostly didn't use cell phones. Look at this passage about a group called the Amish, see what I mean?".
As others have pointed out - boiling contaminated water decontaminates it... beer involves boiling.
2% alcohol content is plenty to help slow bacterial growth, making it keep longer.
> I mean think of all the calories, the logistics and all
Ok let's do that. In the pre-modern eras, calories were the thing almost everyone was focused on. Famine was common (famine is when lots of people starve to death), so any way of getting calories was good. Beer is made of malt, that is sprouted grain that is then heated to dry and cook it. Sprouted grain doesn't keep - it either becomes a plant or rots. Using it for beer makes good use of calories that would otherwise go to waste. NO one was worried about getting fat (in fact if you were lucky enough to get fat, it was a benefit - you're more likely to survie the next famine).
> Obviously people were mostly drinking water... It is also true, that weak 2% ale was consumed a lot, just not as much a water.
This is not obvious at all - do you have any good sources besides weak logic based on false assumptions?
I mean it's quite obvious you cannot brew an ursine creature from just water alone.
Dunno about medieval people being shitfaced, but it probably followed from the fact that in early America drinking was absolutely a problem. The Whiskey Tax was heavily backed by religious reformers as a de facto 'sin tax' cause there was so much drinking going on. The Prohibition/Temperance movement was about a hundred years old when it finally won legal prohibition in 1920.
These weren't just neurotic Christian fundamentalists being annoying, average people were drinking around three and a half gallons of alcohol a year, and we're talking whiskey and rum here.[0]
[0]https://daily.jstor.org/a-brief-history-of-drinking-alcohol/
That seems unlikely on 2% beer while doing hard manual labor.
The 14th century is about when hops and word beer starting taking over in England. I can't find evidence but I wouldn't be surprised if beer was brewed by men.
I have ready links to provide better context, and this is literally the most hated question on /r/AskHistorians, so I'm sure you could get rapid replies for follow-up questions. It's an extremely useful resource to tap into to get a professional historian with training in historiography to weigh in on arbitrary questions.
On the general claim of using alcohol to decontaminate water: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/ol1h45/delet...
On use of aqueducts in Britain to transport potable water: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/mnlf9n/when_...
On general access to fresh water: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1svj1q/how_d...
On understanding of germ theory in water: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/676bg6/befor...
On poisoning wells: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6qljlt/when_...
2nd one on poisoning wells: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/6kt7nh/poiso...
Addressing beer directly: https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2bewpo/what_...