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Comment by dheera | Hacker News Reader

> Where is their success

Huh what? I use Firefox and I'm actually very happy with it.

Somehow, I don't think a single person enjoying the browser justifies 6 Million dollars a year in executive overhead alone.

That's what what success means in this context: Something that makes that expense worthwhile.

... what about two people though?

We clearly have different definitions of what product and business success represents for a large tech company.

Performance of Firefox has steadily gotten worse lately. My bank's website has massive lag when scrolling (1 second to redraw? Great!), but it works perfectly fine in Chrome. Firefox also gets into a state where screen updates in Streeview are laggy after anywhere from a few hours to a couple of days, but I can't figure out a way to predictably reproduce it on demand. Meanwhile, Chrome is snappy all the time. I also have to manually enable one of the acceleration settings under Linux. The end result is that I'm forced to use Chrome more and more as the Firefox user experience just plain sucks in these scenarios.

This is probably much more your bank's fault than it is FF. I think Mozilla has badly neglected FF to the point they probably deserve to die so a new org can take their place, but the blame for that most likely falls at the feet of the bank for not testing on FF.

These websites also keep adding bloat on top of bloat, hell, a goddamn button is 56 layers of nested divs these days instead of just styling the shit out of <button>.

Or they do some batshit insane "polyfill" nonsense that turns the <button> into 56 layers of nested divs behind the hood.

HTML hasn't caught up either, there's no <toggle_switch> that invokes the native toggle switch that every OS already has, devs are forced to mimic the toggle with 85 layers of nested divs.

Sure, but this is not the criteria for a company to be successful or not.

Since when do you get to define the criteria?

I'm a happy user, I consider that a success in my book.

The point is that less and less people use Firefox, so there seems to be a problem with success in that area, even if you are someone who still uses it (as am I).

I am also a happy Firefox user, but that doesn't preclude me from seeing that Mozilla is a failing steward of Firefox.

As a happy Firefox user, I want Firefox to make me happy tomorrow as well, not just today.

and what about their book? inability to put yourself into someone else's shoes, is a very big flag. A red one in my book.

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