Paper vs. devices: Brain activation differences during memory retrieval (2021)
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Even as tablets are distributed in school from the primary cycle, note taking and exams are all done on paper. This is not a value judgment on wether it's good or bad, just that any further study will be on subjects that spent their formative years writing on paper, they better learn to be good at it and would fail their entry into society if they couldn't do so.
Any conclusion that paper works better than electronic methods comes with that asterisk to it.
I’m a statistic of one, but I started my digital mobile life on PalmOS/Handspring devices. I still prefer pen and paper for deep-thinking and future planning, despite having them reflected in a digital medium later.
Tactility of paper, plus not being subject to a glowing screen apparently changes something deep in my mind. No, e-paper and stylus is not the same for me, either.
I finish two notebooks per year.
Short term it's a hassle, and whatever you're doing will take time to see results, and... the phone is right there, frictionless, already in your hand.
Plus, to find motivation to use pen and paper, you have to have a project, which isn't just work(That is often inherently digital) which you care about enough to use high-effort methods.
I love the idea of using pen and paper.... but... pen and paper are more objects to manage that can be lost and add to the clutter which is currently one of the bigger sources of stress in my life.
I have spent and still spend a lot of time on digital document and task management systems. I have considerable note and project troves in Evernote and Pagico. In reality, long term memory provided by Pagico is a great complement to pen and paper workflow of me, because I bake longer term plans into Pagico, and use that tool everyday, too.
The phone is not frictionless, because at the end tap/click depth is much more when using a digital device when compared to pen and paper. I always put stalls into my mind flow, because you need to at least add some keyboard shortcuts or taps while streaming your knowledge to something digital. Paper doesn't have that kind of friction. Just dump it down. Markdown provides some good middle ground, but it's not completely intrerrupt-free either.
A small A5 or 17x24cm notebook doesn't take a place in your daily backpack, neither a good, run of the mill flight-safe roller.
Digital organization has its perks and uses which can't be and shouldn't be ignored when the data volume one manages passes a certain threshold, but pen and paper is irreplaceable in my mind. Because the uninterrupted workflow and the pacing it provides works as a great regulatory aid for me. It doesn't run out of battery, has much faster random access, do not tax my eyes much, and last but not the least, prevents carpal tunnel.
I spend a lot of time thinking about each individual letter and stroke to have any chance of legibility though, and was very slow even when I was practicing heavily as a teen(I heard GEDs were subconsciously scored based on penmanship, even though they're not supposed to, and wanted to give myself an advantage).
There's also a small security issue, Google can probably read Google Keep, but people I actually know can read paper if I leave it behind, so I wouldn't want to use it for any kind of private journal, unless it was something that never left the house.
It can also be lost and there's no instant sync, plus there's no reminder feature, so I wouldn't want to use it for anything critical, that's just making myself a single point of failure in my own life, even if the paper itself is reliable.
The productivity gains are noticable enough that it definitely does seem like there's real value there though, despite the extra work.
If I get stuck on a problem, I pull out my Boogie Board(Not quite paper but great for throwaway notes).
I also like to use my A5 binder notebook in meetings, especially if I'm new to a group, or it's a casual discussion that's not highly technical, almost as part of my wardrobe.
It gives transparency that I'm actually paying attention, not scrolling Hacker News, as opposed to a screen only I can see, and it doesn't break immersion if we're talking about a project that doesn't involve tech, like building something that's meant to feel old fashioned.
Hand writing will always be there somewhere, but paper going away doesn't feel unconceivable to me.
There is a strong counter reaction to tablets ("screens") and it's still costly (looking at the 12"9 ipad...), heavy and and cumbersome, so small kids today who do most of their writing on digital device would be a crazy small minority.
My kid takes tests on the computer. And when I was in law school almost 20 years ago, students mostly took notes on computers, and tests were computerized as well.
I will note that when I was studying for the bar I found it incredibly helpful to re-write my daily lecture notes by hand.
I had the same experience while in college, pseudo code, simulating algorithms or rough design schemas were easier done on paper.
Fast forward today, paper brings too much friction in the process, especially as I lost a ton of wtiting dexterity vs computer muscle memory, and figjam or diagram drawing tools work better.
My anecdotal case comes from being bad at paper in the first place, but I wouldn't be surprised to see kids develop in ways that adapt to the primary tools they are given, and be good on digital screens if that's what they need for the rest of their scholar life.
This is something I never found in any digital product where paper is unbeatable.
At the office, I use 7200x2560 @ 144Hz (5x 27" vertical). It'll be a few years before we see VR as a competitive alternative.
I suspect there is no technology really capable of doing this well yet, let alone product.
With the evolution of the hand tracking mechanism that could probably be done today.
The resolution of the screens doesn't scare me, the evolution since the first headset from Meta for example has been pretty amazing and the refresh rate as well.
Check out awesome-remarkable. I’m sure there’s a way to get next cloud syncing working
Would love to hear how your PKB integration works!
I wonder if that is a well known or widespread phenomenon. The people who would be most enthusiastic about a particular type of device are the most invested in the previous solution, so replacing it for the seemingly “best” customers is a surprisingly high bar.
After decades I finally settled on my preferred mechanical pencil brand. I'm not usually into new technology but these tablets have brought out a sense of excitement I rarely get. After trying them out though it's just not quite there for me. I still prefer my mechanical pencil and sketchbook.
A quality e-ink tablet simultaneously feels so close and so far away.
FWIW the mechanical pencil I've gravitated to is the pentel graphhear series
N.B. if you go this route you'd need to replace the Apple pencil tips a bit more regularly than you otherwise would given the rougher surface you're "writing" on.
For writing feel, the iPad gives you a lot of options from slick glass (the default) to many different screen protectors with different trade offs for writing friction, glare, and screen clarity. The Remarkable screen doesn't have as many options, but you might not miss them. The screen is very nice to write on.
For functionality, the iPad is much more advanced. It's faster (less pen latency), has fantastic text recognition, built in camera (which is great for capturing whiteboards), color, slightly higher resolution, etc... You also have more options for note taking apps. I personally use GoodNotes and Procreate for almost everything.
The biggest drawback for me with the Remarkable is the small screen. The big iPad has a screen close to A4 size which is fantastic for reading and marking up documents. The smaller Remarkable screen forces you to either shrink the document or do a lot of panning. There are 13" eink screens (like the Quaderno) and I hope the next generation of Remarkable devices offer it as an option.
The participants wrote their notes in Japanese.
If you write on paper, you need to write out each character by hand.
In contrast, if you write on a tablet or other device, the input system will sort of "autocomplete" for you.
Therefore, more cognitive effort is required to write on paper than on device.
It is fairly accepted that greater cognitive effort (either to encode or to retrieve) is associated with greater recall.
So I would doubt the transferability of this result to western context.
> Participants in the Tablet group used a stylus pen, thereby controlling for the effects of longhand writing with a pen in the Note group.
In this specific study this is not a notable effect between the Note and Tablet groups. For the phone group you're right that it's a completely different input, while also being much more painful all around due to the sheer device size.
Exactly like English or French. You also need to remember the correct sequence of letters (see my remark below).
> In contrast, if you write on a tablet or other device, the input system will sort of "autocomplete" for you.
Exactly like English or French. I didn't write half of the letters used to type this comment.
I think you are searching for Japanese exceptionalism where it probably doesn't apply. Remembering the correct kanji, and graphy of said kanji is pretty much the same as remembering the (wild) orthography of French or English words. I'm searching quite often if a letter is a 'a' or 'e' (doesn't help that cognates between French and English often swap those), the conjugation of a verb or if a letter is doubled or not (again often not the same for related words, for example ennemi vs enemy).
Your perception of the difficulty in-between writing systems is twisted by the decades of education you got in the said system vs the few years of learning another system with a second language. When I see some soup of letters in Japan, it's clear that the question is not just about one system being more simple than the other.
There are fewer total hiragana and katakana than there are English digrams and trigrams in lower-case and capital letters. (Because Japanese uses fewer overall phonemes...and the characters are consistent in terms of pronunciation, unlike English.)
I'm not very far into kanji (just some basic ones like 水 or 人 that stick) but the principles are solid: they have shared stroke components (radicals) that related kanji share, much like similar collections of letters, and studying them as you study vocabulary isn't really any different than knowing what an English word looks like on sight, without "sounding it out."
Whether this had any effect in this study, I don’t know, but it certainly seems relevant that the experience of writing by hand in Japanese is utterly different to any alphabetic script.
[1] Don’t take my word for it, here’s an interesting blog post on the topic: https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2473
SRS : Spaced repetition system. Anki is a good example of that.
Don't worry, I have some knowledge of Japanese and Chinese (traditional) and first hand experience of the phenomenon. If you can visualize the character you can write it, and I maintain that this is not as different as people makes it than visualizing the writing form of a word for a language written with a morphophonemic script (English, French, Korean without hanja, Thai, etc.)
Neat!
So some information X you want to remember.
It would prompt you with it at 5 minutes, then 20, then an hour, then 5 hours.
I forget the durations, but it was based in some studies on time before short term memory fades.
i find SRS very useful. but i personally think it is not well suited to reference information. i'm skeptical of putting all my appointments in SRS for example (maybe birthdays would be worth it). or say I had collected a bunch of papers related to a topic I was very interested in. I don't necessarily think I'd want to memorize the list of them via SRS, but having the titles written somewhere for reference would be great. I think the point of this paper is that if that 'somewhere' is an SRS card, it is almost completely devoid of context (other than 'studying flashcards on computer' context), but if that somewhere is a notebook that contains lists of papers related to all the topics i'm interested in, it's much easier to find. (though computers are good at searching fast)
Also, using a SRS in conjunction with a memory palace can solve a lot of the reference issues you’re describing.
Memory palaces are often recommended for reference-type information, so I think this would work well. There are a number of discussions on Art of Memory talking about this:
https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/mind-mapping-memory-techniqu...
https://forum.artofmemory.com/t/anki-to-load-up-a-memory-pal...
Spaced repetition is an entirely different dimension. It doesn't fit between the three mentioned modes. You don't get spaced repetition when e.g. attending class or reading a chapter. Instead, you make notes. That's what this study is for, and anything else is a distraction.
In other words, if your goal is to go fast: a bicycle will outcompete a tricycle. But adding a motor to either will be an order of magnitude better. At least that’s what I think; and so I wish the study had included this.
The study in question compared three groups (pen & paper note taking, smartphone and tablet) on information retrieval and note taking duration after reading a dialogue.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but that systematic spaced repetition will lead to better information retrieval is kind of obvious and has a lot of literature to support it, but how is it relevant to this study?
Judging by the other comments, most people had the same interpretation.
You specifically said that the study was lacking a fourth group (spaced repetition software.)
The implicitions of this study are limited, as usual.
I used to learn with handwriting more than digital note-taking in the past, but I found it hard to convert the handwritten notes into a flashcard format (the best I could do was retype, or write the notes in a question-answer format, scan them, and use the screenshots as flashcards).
By starting with digital notes, however, the process became simpler for making flashcards for a spaced repetition system—it became much easier to reformat the text for digital flashcards. I then found it much easier to review my notes in the future in a way that actively tested me, versus passively re-reading my handwritten notes.
I can say that SRS reading pales in comparison to SRS writing when it comes to learning Japanese.
You probably mean the confusingly identically named SuperMemo on supermemo.com (not .guru), that is indeed a spaced-repetition software, but is not the venerable and famous real SuperMemo with a gazillion of features and research behind it. Just a simplistic knockoff. Strangely by the same author.
Then you should go tell the journal editors that this study is incomplete and didn't cover the type of memory you consider more significant, hopefully they will retract the paper
I did similar thing later with multiple goals in Google docs. Found that I’m not as consistent with it and haven’t achieved those same goals.
Could be consistency, more goals vs fewer, or the paper vs digital
There’s something about paper that feels more real. It also forces some focus as you only have so much room on paper
However, prioritizing physical space for a goal affects your real life. Maybe this doesn't apply if your written goal was just in a notebook that is also used for other things, but if it's on your desk, (and your desk isn't cluttered,) its physical important also signals the brain.
Could it be that such a huge goal as "be successful in my career" is just more important than the ones you put in Google docs?
If I take paper notes, I rarely have to go back and look at them. Even then it's usually just to confirm my memory. If I take notes on an electronic device, I'm far more likely to have to go back and look at the device.
Now to my point: I learned Python far better than any other language I've ever used, I think because it was the first language I used seriously, but maybe it was because I never used auto-complete in those early days?
With C++, you can have decades of experience and be considered an expert, and yet, feel like a noob (my case). Perl, a language that shares many similarities with Python is also much harder to learn well. The "there is more than one way to do it" philosophy has value, but not for learning.
i'd wager nearly every development environment is integrated to some extent, piping output in the unix shell is integrating.
https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/634158/fnbeh-15-6...
They mention the difference in terms of location cues in the conclusion section. I would guess UI choices affect the ability to use location sense to recall information and I could easily imagine the small menus of phones enhancing this effect (and/or larger screens in general reducing the physical location effect of the device itself). Taking a quick look on Google Scholar there is some research on this kind of thing but I'm not seeing any thing that pops out as a particularly interesting presentation. Any UI designers out there who intentionally try to trigger location sense in their design?
smartphones are such a new technology
P.S. From TokyoU’s Department of Basic Science (in an allegedly predatory journal).
I’ve never noticed memory differences based on how I made a note. I have, however, noticed that the act of making notes helps me understand something (which isn’t necessarily the same as recall) and writing on paper works best for me.
That said, I have never been able to take notes on a keyboard. I also find that physical notebooks not only are in practice much easier to search, but I also have the impression that the fact all your note pages physically still exist (and not "disappear" after you change pages) helps recollection.
As a side note, I feel mind mapping works differently on paper than with something like Xmind. Xmind is for organising and categorising thoughts by moving them around. Paper mind maps are for helping me remember the conversation when I wrote them; I can't seem to use software for that at all.
But computer notes are much easier to search. So for things like meeting minutes, and daily todos etc, write it in a .txt file. But when following along a deep learning course, write the equations and diagrams on paper. Later you can write code examples in your personal cheat sheet for easy retrieval.
Assuming search works, then I’d say a big advantage of pen and paper is being less constrained in the layout of your notes, and for example do diagrams. Big disadvantage is not being able to edit, for example restructure your notes by moving things around.
OneNote is not only a good notetaking capture tool, it's also a great clarifying tool for general reference/project support digital filing.
Whether the digital artifacts are text, handwritten doodles, embedded files like multimedia or WIP digital artifacts, screenshots of binary file hexdumps, the works can all be stored together with relevant context, all labelled and fitting into a 3-ring-binder skeuomorphism I'm used to from organizing projects back in school in the olden days.
Not the tool for everyone (especially those want to go fully Linux Desktop) but its very close to having something for everyone. Just gotta be able to do mobile and linux with local notebooks.
I was updating an insurance pricing application that had all sorts of formulas for capital requirements, profit load, minimum premium, etc. The formulas were often laid out in SQL but I ultimately wrote them step-by-step on paper to make sure I was truly following the logic (and order of ops). Worked well!
Another anecdata point, I have ADHD. It affects memory in all sorts of known and measured ways. I generally find if I can get something into long-term memory then I'm set. Working memory is terrible. Physically writing while working serves as a crutch there too.
not sure why you'd blanket compare 'all digital input' to all paper. surely the UX matters.
like is this some cursed psych study calendar app that integrates with electrodes
Technology assists are still rather primitive for English (you can’t argue with me on this it’s the hardest language due to amalgamations) but lazy gonna lazy.
My thesis paper on file from 20 years ago already set forth a curriculum to address literary learning deficiency. Oh well. Point being is I’ve practiced the hard way and if you only know assisted methods I will eviscerate you. In fiction, I will always be better than you.
Hey Alexa, how do I spell schadenfreude?
Note: I have 100,000 hours in literary pursuits ranging from reading to writing to critique. Often mocked for my English degree. The truth is English is a wonderful weapon far beyond the grasp of the commoner and I will use it.
However, I don't think it has a benefit: people don't correct themselves on tablet/phone, so I think the cost of a mistake is the same as on paper, namely 0, unless people are really more careful when writing.