Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc.
And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour.
But, it's important to understand that the people with some hairstyle aren't the assholes. That would be entirely on the people saying they're assholes for their choice of hair shaft placement.
> And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour.
I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition.
Cybertruck isn't even released yet, all the dates here are 2024.
Meanwhile, Ford 150 Lightning and Rivian actually exist (and have existed for literally years). You can't even properly call the Cybertruck a competitor until its truly available.
And the low-price model has a "might be released in 2025, we don't have the specs either" right there front and center. That's not competition, that's vaporware.
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that only the purchase of a Cybertruck is related to this "behavior", but not a Model 3/Y/X/S, when you said:
> And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are ambivalent about Musk's behaviour.
Is there some Cybertruck related behavior I'm not aware of? Maybe you could state the behavior that Cybertruck and/or Tesla owners are supposedly agreeing with/ambivalent about?
Cybertruck isn't real competition yet.
EDIT: Anyone who is seriously considering a vehicle in this form factor is looking at F150 Lightning and/or Rivian right now. The $61k Cybertruck has a "maybe by 2025" date stamped right there, and the $80k Cybertruck says "2024" at the earliest, with no actual month specified.
I think we're all assuming that's "January 2024", but... none of us actually know that. If GM Silverado's EV comes into widespread production/release before Cybertruck its just going to be that much more hilarious.
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The _ONLY_ reason to consider Cybertruck is because you're into Elon's reality distortion field IMO. Anyone who needed a truck this year or last year already got one. And anyone thinking of one this month, or next month (barely: December 2023) ain't looking at Cybertruck either.
Being a Cybertruck fan right now is about trusting Elon and saying "Yeah, I think he's still got this", despite all the other crap he's been doing this year. At least Model X / Model 3 / etc. etc. fans can say they bought the car before Elon went full tilt crazy with Twitter/X.
The model 3 and Y sold incredibly well throughout the entire year long after the Twitter/X stuff.
You’ll find out that most people don’t associate the cars with an endorsement for Elon outside of a small circle of internet outrage junkies.
The ones that do tend to be quite hypocritically buying services and goods from companies that make use of outsourced poor working condition manufacturing (Apple/Samsung/Google). It’s only an “endorsement” when it’s someone else buying from a bad man and when you don’t want to buy.
Presumably you’re also petitioning your representatives to cancel support for any SpaceX government contracts because you don’t want your tax dollars to fund SpaceX through NASA/NRO launch contracts?
Whatever specs and price you thought the Cybertruck was was completely wrong.
This is $20,000+ over the initially advertised price with -20% payload/towing capacity and we haven't even gotten to to 3rd party tests yet.
There is no $40,000 truck with 500 mile range here. The specs have come in grossly under what was hyped, while being years too late.
Why would anyone still be considering Cybertruck now? The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date.
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If we get rid of specs and the promises/hype made, what is left is just politics and/or trust in Elon. And you have to get rid of specs to be pro-Cybertruck now because F150 Lightning is available, cheaper and well reviewed.
Because of its design and access to super charger network. The F150 lightning is absolute trash and if the Cybertruck turns out to have similar performance, most interested people will just be skipping electric trucks and going for gas.
My local Ford lots are packed with both used and new lightnings because it turns out people don’t like an effective 120 mile range in cold/hot weather without even brining the joke towing range into account.
You can be incredulous at the price, which is fine. But if you can’t possibly imagine why anyone would want to buy this, you’re not trying very hard.
> The vaporware even continues for a couple more months since we still don't have a published start of sales date.
Some customers have them now. That’s not vaporware anymore. Put down the axe you need to grind and be happy companies are trying to disrupt the gas truck market, because as of right now the options aren’t moving the needle.
> the Cybertruck turns out to have similar performance
Cybertruck is heavier. It will have worse performance as rolling resistance and drag are your primary losses in modern cars.
> Some customers have them now.
10 employees have them and the website opens 'sometime' in 2024, with the model people are actually interested in not available until 2025.
Tesla is a no-show, and will remain a no-show until sometime next year
> because as of right now the options aren’t moving the needle.
Ford Maverick is doing wonders actually, and as a 40MPG Hybrid, it's probably got more environmental friendliness than most people realize.
Maverick launched at $20,000 as well, so it's a true mass market vehicle. Not like this $80,000 hunk of Cyberwhatever.
Even the $60,000 price is beyond the means of the typical truck buyer. $80k is absurdity.
This aged very poorly. Did you not realize that the opening event we were commenting on delivered trucks to customers?
> Ford Maverick is doing wonders actually, and as a 40MPG Hybrid, it's probably got more environmental friendliness than most people realize.
This isn’t a truck in the category we are talking about. The people who buy f-150,250,350s are not getting Mavericks, electric or not.
I think your confusion might be around thinking that trucks are just cars with an open trunk area. If you don’t tow things, none of this will make sense to you and you should stop commenting.
We are quite aware and there is plenty of competition now. A lot of us are canceling orders after being burned by Tesla policies, poor customer service, poor vehicle quality, unmet commitments, fantasy autopilot capabilities, etc.
> I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition.
Model 3 is a weaker heuristic because there was less competition at the time and less people knew about who Elon really was, but if you are driving a cybertruck I can't help but assume you're a sucker or it's some kind of political statement
In that case, the wearer would be the asshole, and the observer not.
People express their opinions all the time in what they purchase or how the express themselves. Should we be blind to it?
Do you do a regular check on the CEOs of all the products you buy?