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Why do you think 99% of the new Tesla's today will be in a scrap heap in 20 years?

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The average age of a car on the road in the EU is 12 years, varying from 8 in Austria to 17 in Lithuania.

This may well increase with electric cars being more reliable, but other failures (rust, collision) won't change much.

So 99% is too high. VEH1107 shows that 22.5% of cars in the UK were 13 years or older.

[VEH1107] https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/vehicle-...

It's probably worth noting why cars are finally scrapped. It's usually not because of problems with the engine, but other issues that EVs also have. Rust (in Northern Europe this is a big thing), crash damage, generate state of disrepair. Of course EVs will remove some issues meaning the lifetime of cars may extend a little, but it's not going to increase it significantly.

Because the kind of person that buys an expensive electric car now won't keep it 20 years.

By the very nature of lithium batteries EVs are basically throwaway cars after 10 years.

The cost of replacing an old battery pack quickly exceeds the value of the car. You might be able to get a few extra years refurbishing it but that’ll be expensive and require niche battery work that’ll be hard to find.

The oldest Teslas sold are now about 10 years old, and this epidemic of no-longer-holding-charge cars heading to battery replacement or scrapyards you speak of hasn't happened yet. From most accounts I've seen, the cars have 80-90% of their original capacity at 150-200k miles.

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