Google Play keeps banning the same web browser due to vague DMCA notices
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The punishment for lying to the government about this appears to be perjury. I would level an accusation of perjury at Warner Bros Group for deliberately engaging in anti-competitive and anti-social behavior by attempting to curtail the efforts of an innocent third party.
IANAL but this looks illegal and the company should be forced to answer for its lying, at minimum.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66697744/yout-llc-v-rec...
(IANAL. All based on reading up on the topic once when I had the same thought)
>under penalty of perjury
This is referring to lying about being authorized to act on the copyright owner's behalf.
and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.It's a law that has no business existing; I'd argue the moral solution is to simply not honor it. We need to push back against copyright and IP in its entirety because it's clearly not serving its purpose if you can just cancel some random guy's project because you don't like it.
Not quite. Nothing in the DMCA compels a takedown. What happens is that the free harbor granted under the DMCA (that it's illegal to sue Y Combinator for copyright violations in HN comments) is active only so long as HN takes quick and effective action to remove infringing materials.
So what happens is that hosts of user-generated content (like HN comments, or Android TV Apps in the linked article) are naturally going to err on the side of a takedown just to be safe.
Isn't that somewhat of a pointless distinction? The protection goes away if you don't take things down. Whether it's explicitly in law doesn't matter if it has the same effect.
This reminds me of restaurants taking away their employees tips but saying "we're not forcing you to give up your tips, you'll just be fired if you try to keep them".
Same thing.
Uh... no, this is wage theft, and it's a crime that will put you in jail.
In point of fact content sites refuse bogus takedown requests all the time. But where there's ambiguity they're clearly not going to stick their neck out for some rando app author.
You're also forgetting that without the DMCA, the safe harbor provision wouldn't exist and instead of frivolous takedown requests we'd be treated to weekly "Disney Sues Apple Again" news.
This very obviously wouldn't work, right?
In other words, the hypothetical is about just lying the same way as the bigcorps do.
https://www.neowin.net/news/fox-issues-dmca-takedown-against...
If a company chooses to not comply the next step is for the alleged rights holder to file a copyright infringement suit. If that doesn't happen then the Platform is fine. If an infringement suit is filed then the Platform could be dragged in and held partially liable for damages.
Platforms have stood up to obviously frivolous takedown notices before, though not usually from big rights holders that have lots of copyright attorneys.
This is definitely a part of the law that is unbalanced and needs some tunning to punish/prevent abuse.
This is a common misunderstanding, but if you read the text of the statute it's clear that the "penalty of perjury" only applies to having authorization:
A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. -- https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512 c.3.A.vi
It may seem like this system isn’t fair. It certainly isn’t. But it’s the best we have, because the system was not designed for the modern era. https://youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QU?si=sZS6s53w4mZrJ3Vk
It’s lucky we even have a recourse like filing a counter notice.
I’ve wanted to make a non profit that offers up counter notices as a service. Basically, let people donate, and whenever someone’s project (like this unfortunate web browser) gets issued a DMCA claim, they’d be able to get a counter notice drafted and filed. It’s not cheap to hire a lawyer to do it, but you pretty much have to, which was the most unfair part. The companies filing the takedowns have lots of resources, but the targets often have substantially none.
That idea is probably too much work, but someone should do it. We need an organization to go to bat for creators. Or at least an organization that gives the creator enough legal rope to hang themselves if the entity making the claim decides to file a lawsuit, which is sometimes a real possibility. But the creator should get to decide whether to take on that risk without having to pay thousands of dollars first.
I don't think that's right; I believe the DMCA is designed for the modern era, and from the point of view of the large copyright holder companies and groups who pushed for it, is very much working as intended.
It is completely unjust and unfair, no doubt. It was never intended to be.
Anyone who fails to file a legal claim within 10 days after receiving a counter-notice shall be liable for $10,000 to the company or person the DMCA claim was made against and $2,000 to the internet service that was sent the DMCA claim. The liability for failing to file legal action is levied jointly against the agent filing the DMCA claim and the claimant.
I think this would quickly force some integrity, and would especially help content creators. It strikes at the heart of the injustice in the DMCA claim system: the agent always tries to claim "oopsie", and after that the claimant will try to blame the agent. In all reality, if you are the claimant, you need a very competent agent or you need to be doing it yourself. It is enough money to be worth going after.
Just as copyright law provides for mind-boggling damages, the penalty for filing a fake, frivolous or fraudulent DMCA notice should have some serious teeth. Every DMCA notice I've dealt with was fraudulent (not really representing the copyright holder) or simple frivolous (i.e. a DMCA take-down for using a trademark).
This might really help with fraudulent/frivolous takedowns from jurisdictions that are difficult to enforce US court rulings in.
BTW many copyright law firms will work on contingency if the case is clear, and your evidence of ownership is solid.
It is simply that Google is indifferent to the DMCA requests.
Other companies such as Shopify, take action. They've recently filed a lawsuit over "illegal" DMCA take down notices [1] (credit where credit is due).
[1] https://torrentfreak.com/shopify-files-lawsuit-over-illegal-...
There are also many instances where DMCA takedowns are denied (not including the counter notice process). There's a bunch of public data on this here: https://transparencyreport.google.com/copyright/overview
The problem isn't Google per se, it's the inadequacy between a mass distribution platform, and an inadequate legal framework. There is probably, at any time, thousands of apps being wrongly shutdown, and thousands infringing copyrights.
The whole concept of these distribution platforms (Play Store, App Store, YouTube, you name it) is to scale beyond the capabilities of what even an industrialized manual system could do. Yet the laws (especially related to IP) are intrinsically interpretation based.
There is no intersection of such two systems that wouldn't massively tip the scale for one or the other party.
The only possible solutions are to
- scale down these massive distribution platforms (unlikely)
- accept their drawbacks and the business risk to depend on them (most likely)
- find an other way of defining IP, such as some forms of resistant watermarks (unlikely)
- move all distribution platforms to some form of DRM such that extracting content is impossible (most likely)
The future is not bright.
If Windows automatically started blocking access to Chrome for up to 2 weeks at time while Google appealed false take downs everyone would be flipping their shit, including governments and justice departments
I mean, sure, you want everyone to get everything right. But if you're an app vendor, maybe try to help out the reviewers at least a little by not naming your app for a TV device "Downloader"? Think of it like defensive driving.
I have high hopes about the new EU legislation but even then I'm not sure they will make it work.
They do, but they just don't care about the little guy, because that would cost them money.