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Highly recommend brave (with all the crypto nonsense shut off), it's a pretty fast browser, nice features and works with chrome extensions. I've used it successfully for the past 3 or something years

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But it's doing Google's game by being based on Blink.

Blink is the de facto web standard like it or not just like linux is for web hosting and both are open source and contributed to by many companies. Firefox is now in 5th place for browser market share and Mozilla is a dumpster fire of a company, imo it is only a matter of time before Firefox switches or completely folds.

Spoken like a true Internet Explorer believer in 2010. Nothing is forever, no matter how solid its lead appears to be.

Certainly not but believing that FireFox is going to resurrect itself from a dropping market share of 3% is delusional and the sooner we all face reality the better we can make it. I loved FireFox over the years but he’s dead Jim.

How do you know this? It hasn't happened just yet. Let's wait and see.

I still use Firefox, it's still regularly updated and it still works very well. It pretty much does the job, regardless its number of users. It'll be dead when it won't receive updates anymore.

I don't understand what good can be done by considering it dead right now.

I don't really understand this - would you not buy a car if it has too small a market share? Why not just use it? What reality is there to face?

Roads don't get replaced with ones which are incompatible with unpopular cars on a regular basis.

But current roads are compatible with this particular unpopular car for the most part.

The one odd incompatible road here and there is also mostly there. These roads or the unpopular car we are speaking about only needs a few superficial tweaks. Nothing fundamental.

I know, I'm still rocking this car. It has the best windshield wipers of the market, for the very rainy roads.

It is also free so it's not like I'm making a big investment by picking it and risking it becomes irrelevant soon. Which I don't see coming, to be clear.

They have $400m coming in every year - surely enough to keep up with main changes if engineering were prioritised, with a large stash to invest for the future.

But still - what reality is there to face? At absolute worse we...switch browser in 10 years?

Idiots still do user agent checks and block anything they don't explicitly support.

I use Firefox every day and I don't see this. Can you elaborate on how you know this?

> imo it is only a matter of time before Firefox switches or completely folds.

Indeed, it's your opinion. Development and benchmark tells another story:

https://arewefastyet.com/win10/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6...

OTOH, Firefox's "perceived slowness" is mostly due to your local DNS response times. On fast DNS, Firefox is at least equal to chrome in terms of speed.

I didn’t mention a thing about ‘percieved slowness’ and it isn’t my opinion it is the entire market’s opinion, I’m a former FireFox user, don’t shoot the messenger: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share

Brave might be the best thing to come out of the crypto era :) I hope it will somehow survive both Chrome changes and crypto dying off.

I doubt its dependent on crypto, they have enough services such as brave search, vpn and meets. They probably generate enough revenue.

>Highly recommend brave (with all the crypto nonsense shut off),

That's essentially Vivaldi. Also stores your data in Iceland for people who care about that kind of stuff and has some pretty good QoL features build in like tab tiling.

When I tried Brave, it blocked website ads but gave me browser ad popups on the top right. No thanks. Stick to Firefox.

you can deactivate them. In my installation on linux they were disabled by default and it asked me if I wanted to activate them (just one time) to support the browser

Brave Rewards, which is what you are complaining about, is opt in.

They saw it by default, which means it's "opt out".

It isn't. It asks you on install if you want to enroll.

Then I got tricked. I wasn't expecting ads in the format they came in.

I feel like this comment was made in bad faith. Brave Rewards, the thing you're complaining about, is OPT-IN. That means you had to manually enable it in Brave's settings. You're complaining about something you consciously enabled.

https://support.brave.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027276731-Bra...

This says it's opt out, not in.

In what section does it say it's opt-out? Not doubting your statement, just that I don't see it any of the sections I looked through.

If you mean the sponsored ads on the New Tab page, then yes they are indeed opt-out. But the person who I responded found the browser pop-ups annnoying. That is a part of Brave Rewards. The New Tab page ads are not a part of Brave Rewards unless you explicitly enable that in the settings (second section of the link you mentioned).

Do I have to participate in Rewards in order to use Brave?

You do not need to participate in Rewards in order to enjoy Brave. However, note that sponsored images on the New Tab Page are on by default, but can easily be disabled. (If you enable Brave Rewards, you will earn for the New Tab Page sponsored images you see.)

The sponsored images you are referring to are not a part of Brave Rewards, not by default. GP was referring to pop-up ads, which are a part of Brave Rewards and are opt-in.

It's not in bad faith. I downloaded and set up the browser. I was unhappy with the ads shown to me - I wouldn't have checked a tickbox during set up if I had known what the result would be like.

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