New Wave Sci-Fi: 75 Best Novels of 1964–1983
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Of course very good other SciFi was written during that period as well.
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Anyway. Thx for the pointer.
most of Gibson's works I had read in ncview.exe
I doubt I can replicate the experience now *sad smile*
I can run NC in DosBox on the glorious 43".
I read Gibson on 15" in the native 320x200 and my 40Mb HDD shook the table table on the seeks.
https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
As for other "effects", in theory the HDD led on the front panel could be interfaced with some actuator to produce vibration and sound when data is accessed.
Personally, I can't wait for the PineNote to exit the development phase and become an usable product; other e-paper readers are too closed and/or depending on cloud services I have no intention to surrender my personal data to.
I have enough experience with Pine64 to not regard their products as anything other than toys that never meet their potential.
Also second the downvote for Pine products. They look good off the bat, but there is no ongoing support and low compatibility.
Thanks for suggestion, but you miss the point.
Likewise I can't get through Pat Cadigan's 'Synners' which I think is a Nebula award winner - the world seems like it _should_ be interesting enough but it just doesn't grip me at all... I must have tried about ten times now and I just end up either leaving it for something else or leafing aimlessly through the pages trying to jump ahead to a more 'engaging' part and not finding anything
Neal Stephenson is I think a better writer, while also moving the genre and sci-fi concepts forward. I highly recommend "The Diamond Age" for people that couldn't make it through Neuromancer.
I like Stephenson but I don't know that you can directly compare, while they're both 'Cyberpunk' authors to an extent Stephenson's work is wildly different, there's a lot more 'education' in Stephenson whereas Gibson is pure exposition. Stephenson can also be a bit (very) preachy. I've read the Gibson books many many times and but the Stephenson ones... well, the second time I went through 'Snow Crash' I was already skipping massively, and The Diamond Age... once you've read it, you've read it.
This is going to sound incredibly judgemental but to me, Gibson writes the future, Stephenson the past.
If all you've read is Neuromancer I'd agree. What other Gibson works have you read?
I can't read PKD's writing any more, it's too scattered for me now.
People's opinions are so diverse. I find Anne Lecke's style so dull and flat I can't read her stuff, despite the Nebula award.
Each pilgrims tale is unique and told in a different vibe - from pious and regretful to vulgar and indifferent.
It is highly readable for me, a PKD's masterpiece. I've reread it multiple times and each time it seems better.
This book is short and is supposed to be the first part of a novella called "worlds of exile and illusion" which consists of a trilogy of stories.
Read the novella of 3 stories in order. Do not just read rocanonns world individually.
When read Separately the stories are your standard sci Fi fare but when wholistically read the trilogy becomes one of the most epic stories I have ever read. All three stories seem only slightly connected but as a trilogy all three stories combine to form a completely different epic tale that spans the entire universe.
I didn't really like Ursula's left hand of darkness. It was ok, but worlds of exile and illusion blew me away. But for some reason most people don't know about this gem and I think it's because the books were initially released separately.
The whole thing needs to be read in order as one book, the length of each story actually makes it better fit for a single book too, link:
Worlds of Exile and Illusion (Hainish) https://a.co/d/0jtS7Zb
Guaranteed there's nothing else like it in sci Fi both on television and in other sci Fi books.
Of course you won't be able to put all of this together until the last book in the trilogy, the last chapter.
The other books can be read out of order, but the first three are a trilogy.
Damn, tho, the book cover for The Three Stigmata... is fascinating. I always pictured him as just a cyborg octogenarian but now I can't unsee this. I miss that artwork.
Aaaaand, it would be nice of the page author would put these in a CSV at the bottom so that I can make a checklist!
The cover art on these books is just the bomb.
Also there are multiple cover arts! Which editions are you referring to?
Lots of thoughtful sf book reviews with a heavy (but not exclusive) focus on the New Wave.
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Truly not in the same category as stuff from e.g. PKD, by a very wide margin, especially speaker for the dead.
To be fair to the crowd that came after, the average consumption of creativity-enhancing substances was a lot less in the 80's and forward than in the [60's, early 80's] period.
Phillip K Dick wrote some absolute classics. And some utter dross. In this period
I do think there is a rough arc of transition, but I disagree that there are definable ages
It is good sport of arbitrary classification but has no useful meaning in selecting books
Ax a counter example there is TV, where technology defined clear boundaries cable then streaming
Nothing, not even kindle, has hat such an effect in literature. It is gradual change from the 1940s through the twenty first century. 1940 very different from 2023, but no boundaries
I think if I were to do a list like this I would pick 10 or 12 authors from the era and mention which works express the literary zeitgeist.
Dang. Maybe I SHOULD do that.
And I owe it all to my sister, who gave me Wizard -- not Titan :-) -- for Christmas one year.
For something to claim to cover the golden age of Sci-Fi ?
Very weird.
I'm not quite sure whether Jack Vance is regarded as part of either?
EDIT - ah - further down the page there's a mention of Golden Age. But it seems to only be in terms of precursors and influences on New Wave:
> The following titles from science fiction’s so-called Golden Age (1934–1963) are listed here in order to provide historical context.
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Good to see many old favourites though.
Also a few forgotten gems I am going to have to reread now.
I enjoyed Dune and Androids but the rest are mostly meh. A lot of DNF books for me (including Slaughterhouse-Five, which I know has its fans but I really disliked)
There is a modern fantasy writer that writes quite dark stories. I read that this is because of a very sick family member, and some of his best books have been written in a hospital room. While I applaude both for turning something bad into something good, these sort of books are just not my cup of tea. And I think a lot of people are like me. We read books to get away from the problems of real life, not dive into other people's troubled minds.
That certainly makes sense and is of course also a subjective preference. To me great insights lie in the darkness, but it isn't for everyone and not at any time.
It's the kind of list an English professor might make, not necessarily a sci-fi fan. In particular, Dick's genius was recognized only after his death.
Even though sci-fi sometimes rises above other genre literature, it's not taken that seriously by literary types. Baudrillard talks a lot about Dick and Ballard and that's it. Stanislaw Lem (whose Cyberiad ought to be on that list instead of The Futurological Congress) himself said that Phillip K. Dick was on a whole other level than other sci-fi writers.
Notably the list subverts the category of "novel" by adding a lot of things (comic books, concept albums) that aren't really novels.
I think Fred Pohl is missing (say Gateway) and also Joe Halderman (Worlds!). I'd rather see any Frank Herbert book but Dune (say Whipping Star or The Santaroga Barrier.) For that matter I'd like to see something from Heinlein before he had the stroke like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress or Glory Road. I'd also want to see Niven's Neutron Star (a set of short stories that read like a novel) but despite some "new wave" sensibilities Niven comes across as reactionary today because the Tor Books revival (Forge of God and Enders Game) of sci-fi in the 1980s liked Heinlein and Niven and Doc Smith better than LeGunn, Dick, Ballard, Herbert, etc.
On the other hand, put a sci-fi fan in charge of making this list and it's no doubt they'll add a stick of books from some author who is a "no account" in literary circles like Piers Anthony -- still I would try to slip him in at his most psychedelic.
Which we should give credit for: I only found PKD due to Jonathan Lethem's advocacy. PKD fans are likely to enjoy Lethem's sci-fi, especially Gun, With Occasional Music.
The crew of writers responsible for elevating PKD from pulp to cult deserve some attention, especially from PKD fans (aka "Dick-heads", which is just the most perfect name for a fandom).
> I'd like to see something from Heinlein before he had the stroke like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Plus one for The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. That's probably the best of Heinlein's work.
Yes and no. It should certainly be noted that he was very popular during his life, not a nearly unknown author. Book clubs selected multiple of his novels, as one of many examples of that.
His stuff became a huge fad when they made many movies based on his works, but that's not the same thing as him previously being an unsung genius.
His stuff is weird, and therefore a niche/acquired taste.
Jonathan Letham's Amnesia Moon (mentioned at the bottom) is my favorite "how pkd would write if he weren't ripped on speed 24/7"
Guess it's time to reread it. And ubik, and fmytps, and the lathe of heaven, and hyperion, and embassytown and...
You have not read much SF, have you? Sturgeon's Law [1] was created for a reason. If you think this is as bad as SF gets, I turn your attention to Robert A. Heinlein's "To Sail Beyond the Sunset".
Perhaps you prefer "cowboys in space", like Star Trek, Star Wars, Terminator, or Firefly.
Just for example, Greg Egan's written some of the most far-out sci-fi Ive ever read, eg. Dichronauts describing life in a universe with different geometry to our own + symbiotic intelligent lifeforms that can each percieve space on different axes. https://www.gregegan.net/DICHRONAUTS/DICHRONAUTS.html
The Martian was OK, good on the science mostly, but ultimately it's just a biography with not much to say about the impact of technology on the human condition.
Forward isn't much of a writer and his ideas are too much weed. Baxter and Robinson I haven't read. I think I started something by Robinson but gave up. And I can happily read Graydon Saunders. (Yes, fantasy, but well written).
Alan Moore - dystopian graphic novel V for Vendetta (serialized 1982–1989)
Alejandro Jodorowsky Jean Giraud (Moebius) - graphic novel The Incal (1980–1988)
Anna Kavan - Ice (1967).
Anne McCaffrey - The Ship Who Sang (1969)
Arkady and Boris Strugatsky - Пикник на обочине (1972; Piknik na obochine; translated as A Roadside Picnic)
Barry N. Malzberg - Beyond Apollo (1972)
Brian Aldiss - Barefoot in the Head (1969)
Brian Aldiss - Greybeard (1964).
Chester Anderson - The Butterfly Kid (1967)
Christopher Priest - Inverted World (1974)
Cordwainer Smith - Norstrilia (1975, in complete form).
David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1972)
Frank Herbert - Dune (1965)
Frank Miller - graphic novel Rōnin (1983–1984)
Gary Panter - comic Jimbo (serialized 1977–present)
Gary Panter - comic strip Dal Tokyo (1983–2007)
Gene Wolfe - The Fifth Head of Cerberus (1972)
Harlan Ellison’s (ed.) Dangerous Visions (1967)
Jack Kirby - Fourth World comics (1971–1974).
Jack Kirby - pre-Fourth World sci-fi comics (1964–1970)
James Tiptree Jr. - Up the Walls of the World (1978)
Jane Gaskell - A Sweet, Sweet Summer (1969)
J.G. Ballard - Crash (1973)
J.G. Ballard - High-Rise (1975)
J.G. Ballard - The Atrocity Exhibition (written 1967, published 1970)
J.G. Ballard - The Burning World (1964)
J.G. Ballard - The Crystal World (1966)
Joanna Russ - We Who Are About To… (serialized 1976; in book form, 1977)
John Brunner - Stand on Zanzibar (1968).
John Brunner - The Sheep Look Up (1972)
John Crowley - Engine Summer (1979)
John Crowley - The Deep (1975).
John Sladek - Roderick at Random (1983)
John Sladek’s - The Müller-Fokker Effect (1970)
John Varley - The Ophiuchi Hotline (1977)
John Wagner, Alan Grant, and Carlos Ezquerra - Judge Dredd adventures Block Mania (serialized 10/31/1981 to 12/26/81) and The Apocalypse War (1/2/82 to 6/26/82).
Josephine Saxton - The Hieros Gamos of Sam and An Smith (1969)
Katsuhiro Otomo - manga series Akira (1982–1990)
Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse-Five, or The Children's Crusade: A Duty-Dance with Death (1969)
Michael Moorcock - The English Assassin (1972)
M. John Harrison - The Pastel City (1971)
Moebius-s Le Garage Hermétique (The Airtight Garage, 1976–1979)
Octavia E. Butler-s Kindred (1979)
Octavia E. Butler - Wild Seed (1980)
Philip K. Dick - A Maze of Death (1970)
Philip K. Dick - A Scanner Darkly (1977)
Philip K. Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (1968)
Philip K. Dick - Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said (1974).
Philip K. Dick - Martian Time-Slip (1964)
Philip K. Dick - Now Wait for Last Year (1966)
Philip K. Dick - The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch (1965)
Philip K. Dick - The Unteleported Man (1966)
Philip K. Dick - Ubik (1969).
Philip K. Dick - VALIS (1981)
Richard Brautigan - In Watermelon Sugar (1968).
Robert Heinlein - Friday (1982).
Robert Silverberg - Dying Inside (1972)
Roger Zelazny - Lord of Light (1967)
Russell Hoban - Riddley Walker (1980)
Samuel R. Delany - Babel-17 (1966).
Samuel R. Delany - Dhalgren (1975)
Samuel R. Delany - Nova (1968)
Samuel R. Delany - The Einstein Intersection (1967)
Samuel R. Delany - Trouble on Triton: An Ambiguous Heterotopia (1976)
Stanislaw Lem - Ze wspomnien Ijona Tichego Kongres futurologiczny (The Futurological Congress, 1971)
Thomas M. Disch - Camp Concentration (1968)
Thomas Pynchon - Gravity’s Rainbow (1973)
Ursula K. Le Guin - Rocannon's World (1966)
Ursula K. Le Guin - The Dispossessed (1974).
Ursula K. LeGuin - The Lathe of Heaven (1971)
Ursula K. Le Guin - The Left Hand of Darkness (1969)
Vladimir Nabokov - Ada, or Ardor (1969)
Vonda N. McIntyre - Dreamsnake (1978)
Walker Percy - Love in the Ruins (1971)
William Burroughs - Nova Express (1964)I bought a book last year called "The Big Book of Science Fiction" by Jeff and Ann VanDerMeer, it's long (1200 pages) and there is plenty of stuff in there that you've probably read but also quite a few that I haven't ever seen before, in anthologies or elsewhere. Really neat collection.
It seems to match the time frame and it's one of the best books known to me.