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One tidbit: Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the target in this question, is claimed to be a CIA asset. Recently, he 'threatened to blast' Air India flights. Same group he associated with bombed Air India Flight 182 in 1995, killing 329 folks--and one Canadian security services agent was involved in this blast, that's why Canada sabotaged the investigation [1][2]. Another reason why Canada didn't help the post-blast investigation: victims are not white, and the key suspect in that blast was sought for extradition, but Trudeau's dad declined that extradition request because 'India only recognized Her Majesty as Head of the Commonwealth, and not as Head of State.'[3]

Even some Indian security official claimed that Gurpatwant Singh Pannun is an American asset in a public forum. That's why he can openly call for bombing Indian flights without any repercussions whatsoever, because he is protected by CIA (therefore by FBI/DOJ). 'It is not for any other reason that Indian intelligence chief told the CIA Director that the only reason they don’t take action against SFJ’s G.S Pannun, who holds dual citizenship of US and Canada, for openly calling for assassinations of Indian diplomats and burning of Indian flag could be because he is actually a CIA agent and batting on behalf of Langley.' [4]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_India_Flight_182

[2] https://espionage.substack.com/p/canadian-intelligences-dirt...

[3] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/a-tale-of-tw...

[4] https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/view-how-trudeau-s-a...

So the right move was to brazenly assassinate this person instead of accusing them? If what you're saying is true, the Indian government stands to lose quite a bit by killing their strongest evidence of American intervention.

Few things: (a) a sealed indictment wrt the plot against Pannun (b) India openly told CIA that Pannun is a CIA asset, that’s why he was not taken out (c) India wants this guy gone (d) Five eyes taps every diplomatic mission out there.

See all these things in the recent Nijjar-Canada-India tussle. I believe both (b) and (c) are true. SIGINT(d) can hear the chatter that Indian diplomats talked about Pannun.

Given the media is the lapdog of security agencies, we need more than (a) and what Bloomberg/NYtimes/Wapo/AP/FT says. That’s why I consider this saga as a manufactured consent. BTW, I’m not saying that Indian media is sacrosanct.

There is a Punjabi gangs/politicians/khalistan/drug-trade/asylum-immigration-scam nexus.

Those accusations don't change much. I know United States attained Indian communications by using their deeply-integrated FIVE EYES backdoor to identify the collusion to Canada. They actually announced it in the original press release, presumably because it's not bad press relative to the other ways the United States abuses counterintel.

The system is unfair, and I'm not acquitting the US of all responsibility here either. On a global stage though, it should be obvious that nobody cares about this surveillance. We all pay for it and use it every day, and upgrade to new surveillance phones when they come out. Trying to whip up an anti-FIVE EYES sentiment is an obvious ploy by incumbent Indian conservatives (that already control local media) to get things under the radar. America will never declassify the entire report because they never do; any "tip of the hand" would show the world how deep they run. Imagine the fallout if a supposedly "encrypted" channel like WhatsApp or iMessage was abused? It would be Armageddon on the market with the defense sector to blame. America never rolls like that.

There is not a single country on this planet without disdain for superior surveillance, but it the ends are not going to be worth the means in this situation. You just leveled some pretty damning accusations at America; now all you need is evidence and a living diplomat to prosecute and you could prove your point.

So, Americans are justified killing Bin Laden instead of "accusing" ?

Pakistan wasn’t willing to admit Bin Laden was even in their country, let alone consider extraditng him.

Shocking the things he has said and got away with

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