Hello. USian here, talking about things from a USian perspective! YMMV in other countries, visit your local dealership for more information, & etc, etc, etc.
A multi-million (or multi-billion) dollar company who can
* Store recordings all of my utterances forever
* Use my recordings to make tons of money without ever sending me a cent
* Share my recordings with "trusted business partners" for "contractually-agreed-upon [with their partners, not with me] purposes" whenever they feel like
* In short, use those recordings that they've stored forever for any nearly any purpose they see fit to
is not "someone" that I'm having a "conversation" with.
When I have a conversation with someone, they have a human's capacity to remember and disseminate that information. People get worse and worse at remembering things as those things recede into the past. Even if someone remembers an event very clearly, it's also usually impossible for someone to perfectly relate that event to another.
When a company records what I'm saying and feeds that recording into their perfect-copy-machines and the perfect-copy-machines of their "trusted business partners", that's an entirely different thing. Surely you see that?
Do you ask people for money when they talk to you in general? Saying "it's not a someone" is just arbitrary categorization. If it was like talking to a wall, you probably wouldn't talk to it, or would you? Is it possible not everything has a monetary aspect on personal level, but on a corporate level that's the only way you can capture value which is then also expressed in non-monetary ways such as people providing work or advice for the furtherment of a goal or project?
I don't know. Let's maybe think about the word we live in. Some might say the most worthless thing in the world is money. What is it good for by itself? It's not only useless paper you can't even wipe your behind with, but these days it's just digits on a computer. But the value you can get out of it is provided by people and systems that do something useful for you in exchange for it. And if something provides that value directly in communication with you, that's much the same as being paid digits on a computer.
In other words, are we so shallow we need to first pay for ChatGPT's output in money, and then it should pay us back the same money (or less) for our voices and data, in order to comprehend what a barter exchange of value is?
1. We're anonymous here (by default)
2. You can't be fingerprinted from your HN posts the way you can be with your unique voice
That doesn't seem related to the point?
Do you disagree that "Posting on a public Internet forum (such as HN)" is (other than the "communicating information to other people" aspect) _radically_ different than "Talking one-on-one to someone in person without any recording devices present"?
If you do disagree, then there's no way we can have a even vaguely productive conversation on the topic.