'Energy independent' Uruguay runs on 100% renewables for four straight months
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1. Citizens must be relying on wood instead and that's bad for the air
2. This doesn't cover ALL possible energy use, including petroleum powered vehicles (despite the fact that this wasn't in question)
3. Germany tried this and failed
Lets look at the claims from the article:
"In the three months to end-September 2023, the South American nation generated all of its electricity from renewable sources"
Note that it says "electricity" not "power"
Wood Burning and Petroleum Burning, for home heating and agriculture respectively are unrelated to "electricity generation" in this context so this article and the do not cover all possible forms of heat exchange and power generation
It is unambiguously good that Uruguay has shown it can replace the use of fossil fuel in it's core energy infrastructure with non-imported, low carbon energy production.
This is an unambiguously good news story, there's no reason to try and prove this wrong and doing so only makes you come off as an acerbic pedant, who doesn't want progress unless its perfect and all at once.
In 2008 Ramón Méndez Galain, a particle physicist with no experience in government, was appointed Director of Energy for Uruguay and proceeded to reimagine the country’s electricity grid. In less than a decade, Méndez’s energy transition plan succeeded in freeing the country’s power sector from its growing reliance on imported oil, and achieved energy independence through a diverse electricity mix, approaching 100% renewables.
https://kleinmanenergy.upenn.edu/podcast/how-uruguay-went-al...
https://www.ted.com/talks/ramon_mendez_galain_this_country_r... ("TED: This country runs on 98 percent renewable electricity")
Tangentially, Paraguay runs entirely on hydropower from the Itaipu dam, which also provides a substantial amount of power to Brazil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Paraguay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itaipu_Dam
(if you know someone at the org who runs the Itaipu dam [https://www.itaipu.gov.br/], please have them reach out to ElectricityMaps to get that generation data on the map with a data source that can be parsed; last time I checked, they just had a broken PHP page that stopped counting total lifetime generation [https://www.itaipu.gov.br/sites/default/files/dado_op/dadosi...])
the deal is up now btw, so the media is covering paraguay attempt to renegotiate it.
That's understating that country's size a lot; it's the size of a Brazilian state, not a Brazilian municipality (even if you consider the huge municipalities in the Amazon region).
https://www.itaipu.gov.br/energia/geracao
But they don't seem to publish anything on the Brazilian data portal (that's bad), nor they seem to publish anything parseable on their site.
I also couldn't find any breakdown of the energy sold to each country. The Brazilian electric system operator (ONS) has the Brazilian numbers, but I don't know where to get the other ones.
Which is hardly incidental, having access to ungodly amounts of hydro power is the easiest way to run on 100% renewables. Iceland has similarly been 100% (or near enough) renewables for decades, despite more than 70% of its electricity going to aluminum smelters.
Norway similarly runs on 100% renewable electricity because it has enough hydro for pretty much all of it (Norway is the 213th country by population, but something like top 10 hydro producer)
A casual shufti suggests this was part of a broad policy push, but that it was mainly to do with a series of purpose-built hydro projects specifically to support Alcoa’s smelting facility. [1]
It smells like there’s a story of a few strong personalities with ambitious visions somewhere in the mix here. Would any of this crowd know where I might turn to find that story?
[0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kárahnjúkar_Hydropower_Plant... (with a fair bit of Wikipedian NIMBY-ish color commentary in the mix there)
And Kárahnjúkar is not a case of the NIMBY, to an approximation there’s no one living in the highlands. It’s large scale environmental destruction for the benefits of a large company which the people of Iceland objected to.
Paraguay has access to Itaipú hydropower, and it certainly powers most of the energy grid, but not all.
There's also the Yacyretá dam, which is jointly held with Argentina, downstream from the Itaipú site on the same Paraná river. It generates quite significant amounts of electricity and Paraguay also uses some of it to power its grid.
And there's also the Acaray dam, which is wholly owned by Paraguay, in operation since 1973.
There's also a dam on the Yguazú river (not the same river than the one with the falls) which is not machinized but otherwise ready to enter production once it's equipped with turbines.
Some isolated locations on the Chaco (northern area) also run on solar power and some also on timber/wood-based plants, but these are rapidly being obsoleted by power lines coming from Itaipú.
With that provision aside, it could be said that Paraguay has been getting its electrity from wholly renewable sources since at least 1983.
Well, there is one reason: If Uruguay can do it, then it clearly demonstrates how blitheringly incompetent Western leaders are.
It shows how horrifically pointless our oil wars have been (outside of making the instigators even wealthier), and nullifies each and every bullshit argument of the fossil fuel industry completely.
Some numbers: Uruguay has $20k GDP per capita, compared to the US' $76k - basically a quarter of the wealth.
https://www.iea.org/reports/renewable-energy-market-update-j...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/13/chinas-carb...
> The most striking growth has been in solar power, according to Myllyvirta. Solar installations increased by 210 gigawatts (GW) this year alone, which is twice the total solar capacity of the US and four times what China added in 2020.
> The analysis, which is based on official figures and commercial data, found that China installed 70GW of wind power this year – more than the entire power generation capacity of the UK. It is also expected to add 7GW of hydro power and 3GW of nuclear power capacity this year, said the report.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-emissions-set-to...
> China’s carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions are set to fall in 2024 and could be facing structural decline, due to record growth in the installation of new low-carbon energy sources.
(my note: pedal to the floor, no one ever said "we have too much clean energy!")
https://pv-magazine-usa.com/2023/08/14/over-155-gw-of-u-s-so...
https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights...
https://www.utilitydive.com/spons/ira-sets-the-stage-for-us-...
Also, seems to me that the 8 trillion, with a t, dollars that were spent creating terror in the middle east would have bought a few panels. To compare directly, the highest estimate for transitioning the US to 100% renewable electricity is 5.7 trillion dollars [1].
So, if we'd just killed about 600,000 fewer civilians we could afford the change. Pointing fingers at China is easier than accepting our own actions, but you know, there's a lot to be said for taking responsibility for what one can actually change.
0 - https://news.gallup.com/poll/349094/workers-stay-unwanted-jo...
1 - https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/cost-of...
https://app.electricitymaps.com/map reports Seattle City Light as 100% hydro, fwiw.
that last 2% is going to take a lot of work to replace, but I'd be surprised to see it backslide.
[1] https://www.bchydro.com/content/dam/BCHydro/customer-portal/...
Transitioning the US to 100% clean power would cost - at most - $5.7 trillion.
We spent $8 trillion fucking up the middle east for oil.
Think about that - take all the time you need. Because if you still think this is about hydro access, and not leadership, you're holding up the change that is necessary.
More specifically how was the problem of intermittent power solved? I'm not aware of any grid-scale solution to this problem unless you include vast amounts of hydro to provide power when there is no wind or no sun or both.
I looked up the McKenzie report[1] where I think the 5.7 trillion comes from. In short, the renewable energy would be 1.5 trillion, and batteries 2.5 trillion (transmission is the rest). If you have 50% hydro, then you don't need batteries, so the cost for the US would drop by 2.5trillion. Having hydro is a big reason why some countries can do it easier than others. It's not a white and black situation, after-all, the US is already investing a lot in renewable energy.
Second, the report says it provisioned for 900 "gigawatts" of batteries. If they mean GW rather than GWh (Which I think they do), that is not nearly enough, that is just 2000 GWh at today's prices. The US needs 500GWh on average each hour, so you only get batteries for 4 hours. You need to either build much more PV, or buy many more batteries. Also, 2000GWh is about 2 years worth of current global battery manufacturing. It's just not the same building out a small country or a large country electrical grid.
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/shifting-u-s-to-100-percent-ren...
That being said, it will happen, we'll soon switch to PV production, and it will happen faster than people think. It will be a disruption previously only seen in software. By 2030 we'll probably be pretty much powered by PV panels.
To be absolutely clear, the percentages above are wind and solar only. They don't include hydro of which SA has only one small generator (3MW), that is situated in the main city's gravity-fed supply pipes. [2]
[1] https://reneweconomy.com.au/wind-and-solar-meet-stunning-87-...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_Storage_Mini_Hydro
When you're talking about changing the US, it couldn't just import 100GW, Canada and Mexico couldn't provide that much, even if they were clean energy. There is just a difference between providing for one small region vs a continent. Also, Uruguay has huge neighbors, they could easily import-export clean energy from them (they are all hydro-centric).
But yeah, I will see the US going to 70% pretty soon, considering where panel prices are. The one big thing missing is the low cost to install on rooftops. In the US is costs at least 3 dollars per watt to install panels, whereas in the Eu or Australia it's under 1 dollar. The panels themselves can be bought for 15-20 *cents* per watt, so there is a lot of room for improvement. Rooftop solar in the US is a big scam at the moment, they are fleecing the consumers. On the other hand, utility size in the US is cheap, so they will cover the gap.
Well and of course people love to hate on renewables.
Will this be 12 months in a year? Or are they returning to power generation via petroleum?
Point 1 is wrong. The average Uruguayan house doesn't have the means to heat using wood.
I think we can do it because we have a small population, almost no industry, and neither summers nor winters get to extreme temperatures.
And obviously this reduces the consumption of electricity, making it easier to cover the electricity needed with renewables.
Doesn't take anything away from it, it's still great that this is happening.
I reckon biomass is 'easy' as well but it is only so scalable.
The US has a lot of nuclear which I would call "renewable enough," and that's not very sexy either.
Look at the headline—
"'Energy independent' Uruguay runs on 100% renewables for four straight months"
and the article's very first sentence—
"Renewables alone have powered the Uruguayan economy for nearly four straight months."
versus the quote you use (the second sentence of the article)—
"In the three months to end-September 2023, the South American nation generated all of its electricity from renewable sources"
Both the headline and the first sentence are misleading. The writer did this on purpose. My guess is it's because he (Nick Hedley) likely knows that many (most?) people reading the headline won't go past that first sentence and will come away with a false sense of what really happened. Couldn't he have instead spread the good news with "Energy independent Uruguay runs its electrical grid on 100% renewables for four straight months"?
How is asking for upfront honesty being an acerbic pedant?
You've heard the phrase "read the room"? The OP added this article to HN, a site known for its detail-oriented minds (programmers, engineers, technicians, etc.) or, if you prefer another insult, "rules lawyers".
And then someone complains that these same detail-oriented folks find that some of the details in the article are lacking? And tries shaming them into giving up their detail-oriented ways?
Odd flex.
a site known for a commentariat that is, in aggregate, frequently wrong about details, particularly details that matter.
yes, it's great when people who really know what they are writing about show up here. But the great unwashed masses in the comment threads, for all of their fabled "detail-oriented minds" appear wrong at least as often as they are right.
"On the internet nobody knows you're an HN commenter with 3 years of JS experience".
> In just five years, $6 billion was invested in renewable energy — the equivalent of 12% of Uruguay’s GDP.
Any country that invests 12% of its GDP in something over five years is probably going to produce some impressive results!
Absolute nonsense. So far Germany never attempted to run 100% renewable for four months straight. To learn about the German government’s energy plans see for example here: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/topics/climate-energy/clim... And here are the actual figures: https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/en/topics/climate-energy/rene... And here is a detailed report about the situation in 2021 (pdf): https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/sites/default/files/medien/47...
This is a carbon copy of what Germany did prior to the infamous "Altmaier-Knick" and "Gabriel-Tief [1], both named after the utterly incompetent ministers responsible for cutting back on these programs. Prior to that, our solar industry was world leading in competence and production capacity, it all shifted to China afterwards.
[1] https://www.fraunhofer.de/de/forschung/aktuelles-aus-der-for...
(Not to talk badly about the specific car or the move to BEV in general - I applaud that and am at the same time disappointed how our [German] manufacturers ignored the shift)
They're nearly compelling enough for me to learn to drive. Nearly..!
id not want to use it to stay in traffic tho, crashing that does not seem safe
There's really no escape, it seems.
I have always believed that putting solar panels in Germany was a wrong solution.
I have also lived in Argentina and travelled to Uruguay. Those countries have a massive amount of natural resources compared with Germany for a population that is much smaller.
When you look into it then Desertec would have been a huge waste of resources. The issue at this point is not generation - its storage and to a lesser degree transport.
Of course there is sun in Germany. Yes, there's less. But then it's also cooler which makes the solar panels more efficient. What matters is if it's economical to use solar panels there, which it is. In summer, where some areas will use quite a bit of AC, there's more daylight hours than regions further south. In winter, if you have vertically mounted panels, a nice effect you can get is that the snow reflects extra sunlight from the ground to the solar panel.
Fun fact, even the airport in Longyearbyen in Svalbard, Norway - an island close to the north pole - has solar panels. They're mounted vertically on the walls, since the sun is never very high in the sky. There's no sun at all in winter, but in summer there's sun 24/7.
https://sunpower.maxeon.com/int/case-study/energy-arctic-cir...
It's surprising how much production they get even that far north: "the PV system produces as much as 70 percent of what is typically produced in Germany"
So please don't use your subjective impression about how bright you feel it is to gauge the viability of solar. I can tell you from personal experience, it's not very bright in Svalbard even in summer.
BTW, much of the energy need in winter in northern climates is for heating. It's surprisingly effective to store thermal energy over several months. So it's actually viable to dump heat from excess solar in a thermal reservoir in summer, and use that heat in winter.
Do tell more.
[1]: https://www.vantaanenergia.fi/en/we/carbon-negativity-2030/h... [2]: https://tem.fi/paatos?decisionId=0900908f8077a0e8
And how much would you need? Have you done the maths on this? I did. There are plenty of times in e.g. November when neither wind nor solar are good for much (production drops to like 1-2% of the average). That goes on for weeks. Just trying to compensate those losses for two weeks for the current amount of wind and solar Germany has, takes > 10 TWh of storage. How much thermal storage do you think would we need to build to get that?
I made those calculations to get an idea how much storage we would need to be able to finally shut down power stations running on coal or gas. I was quite shocked about the number.
Whenever someone points out the realities of things some people are quick to counter with some utopian ideas, but usually they don't do the math on it. I encourage you to always make a calculation, at least on a napkin, to get an idea of the magnitude of what would be required.
Your comment reads like it would be as easy as the flick of a wrist because something "is surprisingly effective". It's not. It takes the amount of many, many Stuttgart 21s in dedication, costs and time.
So what. Either overbuild solar and wind to a degree that even with reduced generation capacity needs can still be met and use the over-generation in summer to produce hydrogen, e-fuels for air and maritime or whatever, or run the capacity of the storage until it's depleted and use gas peakers for the 2-4 weeks in the year where nothing else can fill the demand.
Wind is usually tied across the continent and low wind in Germany usually conincides with low wind in the rest of Europe.
All your ideas hinge on storage that somehow magically comes to existence. I told you the numbers and you then argue with science fiction. No one knows how to build a reliable hydrogen network of the size that would be necessary. The efficiencies for generation are abysmal, especially if you try to generate just from water and electricity and not from natural gas. I don't believe you even remotely grasp the magnitude of the challenges ahead.
Again, I would like to encourage the use of real data and math. Less science fiction and wishful thinking.
https://www.smard.de/home/rueckkehr-von-kohlekraftwerken-an-...
To suggest that the return of those coal power plants was due to renewables underdelivering, seems to be misleading at best.
Personally, that whole fiasco served as a reminder of the dangers of fossil fuel imports from undemocratic states.
If that money was invested into nuclear power plants and not into failed Energirwende then there would be no need for that and no fear of Russian cut offs
If it's windy renewables skeptics will tell you how little power is being generated right now by solar panels.
If it's sunny renewables skeptics will tell you how little power is generated by wind turbines right now.
This is partly because skeptics are gonna skeptic but also it's also because sun and wind anticorrelate way more than most people think, reducing storage requirements down to quite reasonable levels (such that pumped storage/hydrogen can economically satisfy most grids).
citation: https://reneweconomy.com.au/a-near-100-per-cent-renewables-g...
It rains here.
however with a 5kw array, and a 13kwh battery, we are self sufficient for at least 6 months of the year (as in 0kw from grid) and at worst 40% in the midst of winter. Today I have generated 10kwhr and its only 14:00.
Germany should have no real issues with solar production. I mean its not great, but its not anywhere near as bad as you imply.
> It rains here.
Funny thought popped into my head: Rain-based water wheel.
Personally, I think the Energiewende is one of the most expensive failures ever. It cost about €500 billion in direct subsidies and indirect damage in the trillions due to lower economic growth. Not to mention the waste that was the installation of solar panels and wind turbines that were less efficient and became uneconomical to even upkeep.
And what was gained by this sacrifice? Today solar is the cheapest form of energy generation to build (even with storage and even in Sweden) and we got exactly nothing for being first.
Imagine if the Energiewende was a framework of laws and some light subsidies that allowed for an actually decentralized energy market. You sell your 10kW solar installation's power to your local farmer while you're at work and he sells you the power from his combo natgas and biogas reactor at night. All proceeds from this tax-free with no bureaucratic BS and guaranteed access to your local grid. Pretty soon there would have been small towns that were net exporters and the system would be extremely resilient.
Instead, because of lobbying by the privatized monopoly companies but mainly because politicians are allergic to self-orgazing and self-regulating systems (they cannot imagine them and they resent that they don't need their involvement) we got high prices, centralized and fragile generation, communities opposed to wind turbines because they did not see any benefits.
Posted from the freezing, deindustrialzed, immigrant over run Germany.
Germany installed more wind and solar capacity per capita than any other country in the western world.
Besides that, if an economic program heavily relies on subsidies, it’s not sustainable in the first place.
https://www.statista.com/chart/31016/volume-of-global-fossil...
In the UK, many (often well off) people in towns and cities want to have an open fire or wood stove for fun. It makes no sense for this to be legal in densely-populated areas, that can afford cleaner alternatives.
Disclosure, my family had open fires and then log burners for as long as I've been alive. Not in London where I now live. I love a proper fire, it's great, one of the things I enjoy about visiting family in the countryside.
I am, however, ambivalent about the things and wouldn't resent them being banned.
Not in the context of London, but I live near an amusement park and they launch fireworks every weekend while the park is in season. I don't smell or notice any difference in air quality except for after the 4th of July when they launch a lot more of them.
_Disclosure I also have open fire pit in a garden, and love occasional fire_
I will say that if folks are having proper bonfires - that absolutely makes a difference. Largely because they are not burning dry wood.
[0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/30/home-woo...
Generally the stoves are designed specially for this. The stove burns hotter and may have a second combustion chamber. DIYers welding in the catalytic converter from a car is not the norm and not expected to be safe, but I bet there are some hackers who have made it work.
[0] https://ambassadorfireplaces.com/the-difference-between-cata...
I live in the middle of a city centre. My next door neighbour burns coal in an open fire too, it's shocking.
I don't disagree with you, but when I'm looking at saving £250/month on top of all my other costs skyrocketing, it becomes an attractive thing to use.
Don't you still need to heat the rest of your house?
I live in Edinburgh in a tenemant house with 12ft ceilings. Combine that with spiking gas prices last winter, it's a recipe for disaster.
Unfortunately for us, it's also installed in a way that doesn't meet building regulations (thanks previous owners) - the flue vents onto a path that belongs to our neighbor, so if we want to upgrade the boiler we need to move it to somewhere else, and the suitable locations for it require upgrading the gas pipework in the house to a larger diameter, and pulling up the floors in all our living areas to do so.
The only spot that's "suitable" for it doesn't have room for a hot water tank either so that's more work to reroute the hot water back, and renders the spot the boiler is currently in dead space.
Last quote we got was about £15,000 all in including fixing the decorating in our office, kitchen and living room, so we decided we'd use the log burner instead for a little while. We got caught out pretty badly with this problem unfortunately
And if the problem is because of your neighbour, there is not a lot you can do about it.
But coal is much much worse due to toxic pm2.5
No. It means you need to burn a larger volume of wood to get the same amount of energy. And when you increase the volume, you increase the emissions. The first sentence of this quote may be true, if we are talking about absolute amounts, but then in the second sentence density is a ratio (energy to volume), which is why it’s not true.
I don’t know all that much about relative PM2.5 emissions, but a brief search shows a paper, which argues that PM2.5 emissions depend more on combustion conditions than fuel type[1].
For the same amount of energy the result should be similar amount of co2.
Coal is worse for people because burning it creates many unhealthy chemical components. Sulfur, heavy metals, etc
Yes. But that hardly matters.
> For the same amount of energy the result should be similar amount of co2.
No. Apparently, wood is estimated to emit 30% more CO2 than coal for the same amount of energy[1].
> Coal is worse for people because burning it creates many unhealthy chemical components. Sulfur, heavy metals, etc
Is it more than when you burn wood though? I’m not knowleadgable enough to answer this question. I found one link about it[2], but currently I don’t have time to read it. In any case, the fact that it produces more CO2 than coal is a good argument against wood in my eyes. My argument is against wood, not in favour of coal. Coal is just a benchmark to measure against.
[1]: <https://ecosystems.psu.edu/research/centers/private-forests/...>
I live in the region where people use coal for private heating. It is much worse than wood.
Moreover, it’s not only a question of net emissions. It’s also a question of location. People burn wood and coal in their homes and that affects the air most near them the most. It is the worst near cities, where you can’t plant a new forest. Instead just think about how the local air is going to be affected if people burn there 1MWh of wood vs coal. Because trees are not going to help here, if they're planted far away.
And, when trees die naturally, they don’t emit CO2 at the speed that they do when they’re burnt. It happens much slower, so it’s not that much of a problem.
Mind you I’m not advocating for burning coal. I’m advocating against burning wood.
Ok, there are many rural properties in the world populated with trees. These trees naturally fall and contribute brush. Firefighters and forest management will tell you to clean up the brush by burning, otherwise it will decompose (still co2) and eventually lead to a natural wildfire (same effect). Better to burn it for heat than outside for nothing. What would you do instead?
On a less facetious note, Solar needs time to renew the energy it made the day before as well. Time scale is very important to questions of renewables, and people have been sustainably burning wood for a long time. Unsustainably too, but I would bet that’s not the case here if it’s being included in a census of sustainable sources.
Which brings us to the problem: The CO2 shouldn't be in the atmosphere right now: If you burn wood today and the CO2 gets removed again by new plants within the next 100 years, that's still a problem.
The point was: When you burn wood today the atmosphere isn't going to be like "oh, but that CO2 was absorbed out of the atmosphere during the last 100 years, so that CO2 shouldn't contribute to global warming".
As long as we haven't solved climate change any CO2 released into the atmosphere should be avoided. It's okay to burn wood that would have rotted anyway.
But if you cut down a healthy forest, burn it and say "but it will be reabsorbed when the forst grows back, it's a closed loop" that's technically correct, but it still contributes to global warming because we now have additional CO2 in the atmosphere. Simply because it takes time for a forest to grow.
The closed loop argument is only really valid long term and when we've already solved climate change.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/how-ancient-fo...
But then, once the current mushrooms and bacteria manage to digest it, there is no way for it to accumulate again like that.
Petrol might be a different story, coming from the plankton falling at the bottom of the sea instead.
Your point is absolutely correct and as far as I can tell you pointed it out genuinely, not facetiously. Edit: read other later posts here: didn’t know about the bacteria part. Learned something today!
This is absolutely not my area of expertise but intuitively there are two categories of energy sources: one which releases co2 (or other climate change impacting gases) and one which doesn’t. Wood, oil, gas, coal falls into the former. It’s just a question of time as you say until the loop closes. Solar, wind, thermal, etc would fall into the latter as far as I can tell.
Wood burning does not cause climate change provided it's matched by reforestation efforts.
As others point out, the real problem with wood burning is it's effects on air quality.
Montevideo didn’t seem like a place where suburbanites were burning wood of any form, but I was there in the summer, just for a day.
Here's one such county ordinance https://www.tuolumnecounty.ca.gov/365/Burn-Program
https://trademarkmammoth.com/woodstove-inserts-and-epa-compl...
Given that EPA regulations were cited, I assumed that the same rules apply everywhere. It seems instead that the harshest rules apply in one town.
And, regardless, it's not like we only burn wood that's starting to decompose. Quite the contrary.
As you say, the loop has to close on a timeline shorter than the greenhouse gas effect's impact on climate. That can be true of wood but not coal.
The Nordics, perhaps unsurprisingly, are the lead innovators in this space.
It is much much better now.
I live in southern Brazil and I have yet to realize why we don't give a shit about proper insulation/modern heating techniques. Burning wood for heat in badly insulated homes drives me in-sa-ne during the winter months, terrible for my asthma.
Countries that have both the money and the investment-friendly culture to insulate their houses tend to be the rich ones.
Wood burning is becoming a rare thing here tho.
There's a lot of agriculture tho.
https://www.worlddata.info/america/uruguay/energy-consumptio... (3.4 MWh) https://www.worlddata.info/america/brazil/energy-consumption... (2.5 MWh) https://www.worlddata.info/america/argentina/energy-consumpt... (2.6 MWh)
Not bashing them tough. They're wonderful people and I love going on vacation there, but saying that very heavy industry reliant countries e.g. Germany can just imitate the model is misleading
If you have lots of mountains and lots of space to put solar panels / windmills, you can get a lot of your electricity from renewables sources, which is great for a lot of applications. (If you can have nuclear power, it's not "renewable" per se, but it's very low on carbon, which is useful in itself, whith the usual caveats.)
But the "small" issue is that tractors in the fields and trucks moving fertilizers and chemicals and produces around are, at the moment, mostly relying on oil.
So, at the moment, being "100% energy independent with renewables" means you have to make the small compromise of "not eat food."
Where is the "Tesla of tractors" ? Which EV company is seriously addressing "freight" ?
If anything, this makes the "Energy independent" part even more dubious :D (really, apart from China - or maybe USA, I don't know which country could be "independent", given that you need both fossil deposits and the right metal mines to build an energy system...)
We're almost all in the same boat, and we all have to do our best. Inter-dependence without over-concentration is a feature, not a bug :D
As such total energy balance isn’t a particularly useful metric. Instead we use subsets of total energy such as the electric grid and 100% renewable is perfectly valid in that context.
I would argue that:
* excluding "the energy coming from the sun" is fair game, given that we as a society have very little impact on it
* excluding "the energy not transferred as electricity" is not fair, and misleading, given that it represent a minority of the energy for which the society has a choice.
If [1] gives roughly the correct numbers, Urugay is using ~200TJ/y, and ~40TJ comes from electricity. Not insignificant, and it's the right strategy to replace as much of the remaining 80% by renewables through electricity.
But as long as 20% !== 100%, and as long as people will mis-title articles for no good reason, people will have to correct headlines.
So renewables are (14,738 + 93,709 + 21,375 )/ (14,738 + 93,709 + 87,756 + 21,375 + 2,504) = 59% of total energy.
However that rather overstates energy from oil. ICE engines are only like 25% efficient but hydro is only counting the fraction of potential energy actually converted to electricity. And even before that refineries waste a lot of energy that’s in oil when producing gasoline.
PS: Sanity check electricity consumption is listed as 11.83 TWh * 60m/h * 60s/m * 1j/s = 42,588 TJ/year
Topic: "Energy supply"
Indiator: "Total Energy supply (TES) by source".
Looking at the stacked chart, for 2020, the sum is above 200 000 TJ (not 200 TJ as I wrote mistakenly). It's propably about 210 000 TJ.
Then, for electricity, I summed "Wind, Solar, etc..." (21 375 TJ) and "Hydro" (14 738 TJ). I assumed that "Biofuels and Waste" (93 709 TJ) was used mostly for heating as opposed to electricity generation, and neglected it.
It's not entirely the case, though ; in the "Electricity Generation by source", you can see that 2 752 GWh where produced using "biofuels and waste" out of the 811 + 2752 + 4094 + 5476 + 462 = 13595 GWh of electriciy (~20%.)
So I guess that we should add ~20% of those 93 709 TJ, and say that roughly (again, I'm doing ballpark computations here) 60 000TJ out of more than 210 000 TJ.
Still, 28% !== 100%, isn't it ;) ?
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PS: Out of curiosity, from https://www.iea.org/countries/france, my home country would be at around 4% renewables, and 40% "non fossil" (given the share of nuclear in electricity), but as usual, we're outliers...
If their Waste power plants are 30% efficient and produce 2.752 TWh that took / 0.3 * 60 * 60 ~= 33,000 Tj of fuel + 42,000 Tj of electricity from other sources. So, (33 PJ + 42 PJ) / 210 PJ = 36% of total primary energy supply used for electricity.
Which again shows why comparing pre conversion efficiency numbers to post conversion efficiency numbers gives rather silly results.
Sorry, but no. The whole life carbon emissions (WLCE) of nuclear are deeply contested and estimates from academic studies tend to be much higher than those of governmental bodies like the UK's committee on climate change and the IPCC's estimates.
For more information that can dispel this myth, see: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03062...
From the abstract:
> Results for the process-based, input-output, and hybrid methods range between 16.55–17.69, 18.82–35.15, and 24.61–32.74 gCO2e/kWh,
That's in the ballpark of what you can get from other sources [1]. And it's still:
* an order of magnitude lower than coal
* almost an order of magnitude lower than gas
* in the same order of magnitude as the other renewables (PV / Wind / hydro.)
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse_gas_emis...
Software there is growing but mostly as consulting. Also b/c of the tax breaks companies are incorporated there, but people works elsewhere.
On the cloud side if someone needs edge stuff they use Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo in AWS. There's no region in Uruguay
It has 40% renewables last time I checked I think in 2019.
If you assign that to what percent of the annual use, that is the equivalent of everything from Jan 1st-April 24ish California is runing on 100% renewables.
Basically, the windmills are overbuilt past the demand, which is supplied by mostly hydroelectric and enough natgas. The wind energy is exported to neighboring Brazil and Argentina through interconnects.
[1] https://twitter.com/billbrown/status/1714311001569693749
[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030142152...
I have some suspicions.
https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2023-2-8-we-must-de...
It states:
> Jacobson goes on with endless mumbo jumbo about how his fantasy system can deliver electricity at low cost. Excerpt:
> When combined with electricity storage, heat storage, cold storage and hydrogen storage; techniques to encourage people to shift the time of their electricity use (demand response); a well-interconnected electrical transmission system; and nifty and efficient electrical appliances, such as heat pumps, induction cooktops, electric vehicles and electric furnaces for industry, WWS can solve the ginormous problems associated with climate change at low cost worldwide.
> Is there any such thing as a demonstration project on any scale — small, medium, or large — to vindicate these claims that such a future system would be “low cost”? Absolutely not.
I can't speak about anything except:
"techniques to encourage people to shift the time of their electricity use (demand response)"
This is happening in the UK and is lowering the cost of EV charging. The following tariff will control when your EV is charged for the price of 7p/kWh (see https://www.ovoenergy.com/electric-cars/charge-anytime).
I just got a quote from Octopus energy (UK energy supplier) and the day rate is 35.37p/kWh and night rate is 14.84p /kWh.
Small country with lot of sun, low population, no industry and a kwh/capita 4 times lower than the US can run on renewable during summer.
⇒ Good result, but not there yet.
I personally felt for it for quite some time: as a French we say our electricity is nuclear, so we're much much better than our eco-friendly neighbour Germany wrt carbon. But that's completely missing the point. (I'm not saying we're actually worse than them, but we all have still much to improve)
I fall in the area of people who think journalists' job is not just to report fact, but to properly phrase them to understand the implications, you might disagree with that.
Not even the title is misleading, the first sentence of the article as well.
"the Uruguayan economy" includes mobility (cars, planes), industry, heating of homes.
If this is the way we want to promote renewables, by straight up lying, we are merely deceiving ourselves.
The only question is what end of the conversational spectrum are the lies offloaded?
Potential for energy supply parity with non-renewables? Population life support (the third rail)?. True carbon math vs the feel-good type? Or like you note, actual renewable energy implementation in contrast with what is purported? Expect a shuffle, with a multi-agenda authoritarian streak under all.
When "save group x" loses its political appeal generally, toward justifying politics, then "save the Earth" is an emotionally attractive and infinitely "renewable" excuse for acting anti-democratically.
Look to the expansion of actually green hydrogen to power and drive the fertilizer trade and look to reducing transport costs for Phosporus, Potossium, and the final end product while electrifying the mining industry.
And, and it's a big "and", if those renewables themselves weren't just feasible because of subsidies (like how, in non-renewables, nuclear is also uncompetitive when considering the whole course of life of a factory and not just the bare production) or built/maintained/etc through ample use of fossil fuels.
They would also be feasible if fossil fuels were paying for their environmental costs.
But probably the "current way of life" and fixation of "growth" wouldn't be feasible then - with or without renewables on the side.
Which I'm also all for it - for degrowth to be exact.
Run their gas-powered cars and factories from renewable gas?
That said, the "Energy independent Uruguay" oversells it, because if one doesn't understand that renewables can't obviously power non-electric cars and other non-compatible infrastructure, they might think it means Uruguay is totally energy independent and powered on renewables alone.
As a further step up, there’s “produce enough excess electricity to potentially produce the gas we use”, then the end goal where that excess production actually is used to produce that gas (that likely will be with much lower gas usage), either in the country or abroad.
I doubt they’ll ever be truly independent for their energy needs. The country is too small for that, as it would require producing solar cells, wind turbines, etc. inside the country.
The real challenge isn’t quite to produce clean electricity (nuclear plants have excellent co2 footprints per kWh over their lifecycle if you don’t mind the very cumbersome and lethal waste they produce). The challenge is to reduce our global footprint, _including_ non-energy components such as biodiversity, soil and ocean preservation, forest and wilderness conservation, and all other planetary limits.