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The battle over right to repair is a fight over your car's data

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I don't even think "right to repair" is the right framing. It should be "right to modify and use anything" that was sold to me.

This. If I own it, then I can do anything I like to it. If I can't do anything I like to it, I don't own it.

At this point we're basically just fighting for the right to own property. The right to own the things we've paid for has been taken from us by companies that want to retain control of our devices after they sell them to us.

It should be illegal to lock us out of our own possessions. It should be illegal to get us to buy something by advertising a feature and then remove it or paywall it off after the sale. It should be illegal to remote into our property and delete our data. The US is in dire need of a lot of consumer protection laws, but the right to own what we pay for is so basic that it's frightening how quickly it's been being taken from us.

And we wonder why people despise Big Tech...we enabled this dystopian nightmare. While we were doing so Big Money came in and bought our government, bolstered by Justice Scalia's ruling that the Constitution says our government is up for sale to the highest bidder. Scalia also eliminated private property rights too.

This didn't happen overnight. It's the culmination of the Reagan Revolution. This is what these fookers were after all along.

Wow.

The article says:

> Who owns your car’s data? > > One issue left unresolved by the legislation is the ownership of vehicle data.

"Ownership of vehicle data" is a link to a Texas A&M Transportation Institute paper that starts with:

> This study examined the question of who owns the data emanating from connected cars, through the perspectives of three different stakeholder groups: automobile original equipment manufacturers, infrastructure facility owner-operators, and data aggregators.

lol - so the choices for "owners of the data" doesn't include - at all - the car's owner.

Why there has been no public car data exposures, like GPS movement data of US public?

If people could see the everyone (like their employer) could see where and how often they go to e.g. medical facilities, they'd be more willing to take care of that.

There have been.

https://www.darkreading.com/cloud/toyota-discloses-decade-lo...

Most people's phones would probably be more lucrative targets as the car location data should just be a subset and isn't necessarily tied to the individual

There have been some really serious ones.. going back years.

Dodge/Chrysler U-Connect had a ridiculous vulnerability that allowed getting all the data and even controlling/disabling the car over the internet.

https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-advisories/icsa-15-260-...

Who knows if there are any out in the wild now, cars have gotten way more complex since then.

would they? most people who leave work to go to a medical facility tell work that they left work to go to a medical facility. it's not "most people" that need to worry about that, which means they don't. it's the times when it does matter, that it's an issue, and for people to care, they have to identify with the problem.

Might be bad example, just of top of my head. It's like with security -- one can never prove there's nothing important.

Some other examples I can think of:

1. A future employer may want to filter out women candidates that recently went to a pharmacy, what if they are pregnant?

2. A prospective employer might want to know how often a candidate goes to a liquor store.

And that's only for employer/employee relationships. Location data is a gold mine of private and sensitive data.

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