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> It’s not self dealing if you really love the building

It’s not self dealing if everyone is on the same page. Neumann didn’t hide any of this. From SoftBank. From the public.

If a company tanks right after being listed on the public markets -- that is, right after insiders got an opportunity to dump their shares on less informed investors -- most likely a serious financial crime has taken place. A real business doesn't go from a 47bn market cap to zero in ~2 years. It's not sufficient to make generic disclosures to investors that there are substantial risks and that you have an unproven business model and such. If it looks, talks, and walks like a pump & dump scheme it probably is.

It's totally still self dealing. It just avoids being fraud.

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