Drunk grizzlies keep getting hit by trains in Montana
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(Not that I blame you for squinting them, I am only providing reason why, perhaps)
And you can sell squirrel caps to the neighbors' kids.
Having said that, I tend to lean on the side of the other poster in that harming animals should be avoided unless there's a specific reason (such as eating them)
At some point the world isn't kumbaya and the animals will learn when they tend to die or be physically hurt when approaching that activity.
Get yourself a good, sharp paring knife or pocket knife and some kitchen shears and you're good to go.
(inb4 beetlejuicing.)
It is often illegal.
I worked with them for about three hours, and at the end sent them home with a male rat. Both delighted as can be.
He was a very social and playful one that I had been planning on taking home.
I removed squirrel carcasses from all rooftop A/C units, along with the harvested nutshells that they had left behind. I patched the holes they opened into the walls and crevices of the condo apartments.
Finally I helped remove the 40-year-old pecan tree adjacent to one building's slab and which had hosted these pests for decades. The tree was lifting the slab and likely would have broken the foundation.
I have resolved that buildings should never coexist with either large trees (nut-bearing or otherwise) or with rodents.
Two years ago some jackass planted two pecan trees in the condo front yard. This year the pecans are falling and the squirrels have already moved back. The homeowners' association is clueless. The cycle continues.
Once, years ago, they went on a long vacation. The squirrels didn't like that the humans weren't setting out the buffet, so they broke into the food storage: a bog-standard rubbermaid style 55-galon outdoor trash can. They chewed right through the lid.
Solution: replace with a bog-standard metal outdoor trash can. After the next vacation, my parents came home to find tooth marks on the lid, signs of an attempted but thwarted break-in. Battle: Humans. War: On-going.
Linked are some examples that mostly apply to vehicles on highways but some apply to trains. Montana doesn't seem to have rules for trains, and even for trucks carrying agricultural produce and fertilizer seem to be exempt from littering laws.
There are also environmental protection laws that may apply.
So this seems like an issue that could be prevented by introducing littering laws / secure loads that apply in other states.
https://www.pulltarps.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/WhitePa...
I wonder if it's both depending on where it's at.
This results in piles of grain by the track side which gets wet and starts fermenting, and the grizzlys eat it, get drunk and decide to race trains.
Is this some new form of life?
Keep up the good work!
https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/bears-discover-fi...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13506...
Edit: https://youtu.be/7Ao-24274Jw
This example is not in Montana, but apparently minor derailings are a thing. And the cars that are not derailed don't really look much better.
I'm not sure if that's a example from reality, it cannot be real that people are allowed and do drive trains over those "rails"?
John Oliver had a segment on train derailments a while back (can't find the YT video) and it seems that a lot of US rail infrastructure including the trains are just in very bad shape and there don't seem to be any federal regulations forcing them to invest whereas the environmental damage often ends up being swept under the rug.
Not that German rail is anything to brag about but I can't imagine we'd be allowed to let a train go anywhere near a track that looked like that.
I searched and found this database.
I don’t know how it compares to other countries but it’s a long list.
https://data.transportation.gov/Railroads/Rail-Equipment-Acc...
Scrolling down to the web data viewer and then right until you can order by date, descending, is ... impressive.
On the way back one time we were sitting for hours because a freight had come apart in two places on the only through track. I watched the crews hump couplers brought up from (presumably) Crater Lake past the bar car. Just a day working on the railroad.
They put the train together wrong once, without the crew car between the engines and first class. This meant that first class looked out over the engines. (They duct taped around the door to keep the snow and rain from pouring in.) About a half dozen of us stood there taking turns sharing bottles of wine and looking out the window in the dark as the train went over the Cascades en route to Crater Lake. Very cool.
On the way down one time, shortly after "lights out", there was an excited PA announcement "STAY IN YOUR ROOMS AND DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING METAL" and as I came to I noticed that the lights and ventilation were off and the train seemed to be coasting to a stop. The second announcement that anyone who saw "lights" outside the train should speak to a conductor was no more reassuring. Upshot was the dining car had suffered an electrical fire (coach apparently filled with smoke, but we were spared that in first class). They diverted to some huge rail yard somewhere in the vicinity of Crater Lake where they disassembled the train and put the wretched dining car at the end of the train; they catered in breakfast in Sacramento.
Dunno why all the best stuff happens just north of Crater Lake.
Northbound run looking out of the antique bar car: http://athena.m3047.net/train.jpg
There was a theater downstairs, I kid you not! http://athena.m3047.net/train-theater.jpg
I had a few classmates back in high school whose uncles could get you cheap Nike, Adidas, Calvin Klein etc that fell out of trucks. Happens all the time. Stuff sometimes just gets lost on the way.
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article27933093...
whatever the mechanism is, grain on the tracks is definitly not exclusive to this run, it's a problem anywhere there's railways and bears.
the Montana grizzly bear rate is >200x the American person rate!
How often do train cars carrying fermented grain come through?
How many bears are actually hit in this manner? (there is just someone saying this is what happens, but no autopsy or anything)
I can’t imagine fermented grain leaks are all that common. I’ve been next to a lot of rail road tracks and never seen leaks. Imagine if you had a leak and it remained for 1000 or 2000 miles.
This story doesn’t make sense
Seems more reasonable a bear doesn’t know what a train is, has gone def or is asleep and just gets hit.
I assume the spills are from hoppers with worn out chutes, because I would not expect open hoppers for grain transport.
I don't know what fraction of bears killed by trains are drunk, though. I don't know if anyone knows. At least, I have not seen any sources.
But then on the other hand train speed is dangerously difficult to assess even for us humans who in theory know full well what a train is. I believe that this is because much of the perception of movement is in terms of "size-units over time", which is why a fly at walking speed appears fast whereas big ship at 25 knots appears almost stationary unless you are too close for your own good.
I've had bears in my yard fairly often. They used to come at night and tear up my porch trying to get to the bird feeders. We finally wised up and stopped feeding the birds.
One time a bear tore up my windshield wipers because I made the mistake of leaving a candy bar in my truck overnight.
Bears are weird, but you learn their weirdnesses when you live in the country.
*Wiping away a tear* God bless America.
Unfortunately for them, they were also sleeping back there. They weren't hurt, just badly shaken, and from listening to the woman, I have a feeling she never camped again.
They could at least try to hide the fact that the headline is misleading rather than putting it directly below it…
While I see what you’re getting at from a human reader standpoint, in reality the reason for this phrasing (instead of the grammatically equivalent “Trains keep hitting drunk grizzlies”) is that starting with “Drunk grizzlies” just makes for an unmistakably better headline.
Plus in this particular case, apart from the feelings it might generate in more engaged readers such as you, I don’t think the title has further real-life implications.
People conscious enough to actually have an impact on the matter (e.g. those to potentially reach out to organizations, or appeal to railroad companies directly to secure their cargo better) will surely read the article and realize the bears are 100% the victims.
Whereas the people who will think “haha, stoopid wasted bears” and move on, wouldn’t have actively done anything about the situation to begin with. They might still share the article though, which in turn increases its reach and improves its chance of finding someone who cares.
If there’s a fallacy here please call me out, but at this moment I don’t think the “sensationalized” element in this title is a bad thing. At worst it’s neutral, apart from earning Cowboy State Daily some (un)deserved bucks.
I presume they are sober, though.
But I also know how big a train is, and I still don't see it. I know that in terms of mass, a train is to a car as a car is to an empty beer can. A car can derail a train, but won't very often. A moose might weigh as much as a small car, but has less stiff metal in the frame. It still might derail a train... but not very often.
Still waiting for some evidence for the claim that "moose are responsible for quite a few train derailments".
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[1] Yes, I know that not all railroad engines have them. Most that don't have a flat plate that still gets down pretty close to the track.
I'm just spreading moosinformation
Moose are bad news vs a car though.
I would assume spraying water have been tried?
Lots of people have less of that ALDH2 gene, so a much smaller dose will be enough to get them drunk.
I love curiosities as much as the next person, but I’m getting the sense someone’s trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here.
> BNSF have been stalling doing anything for some years believing that the grizzly is going to be delisted (from endangered species status)
Compare to just ~700 human railway fatalities in the US (population: >300M)-- if railways were similarly lethal for us, the would be over 200000 deaths per year.
HN has become a second reddit...
> Many died because they got drunk on fermented grain spilled from railcars