Toyota to begin steer-by-wire production in 2024
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I know it is not really the same type of machine and design, but it still makes me wary that my steering wheel will turn suddenly because of any unforseen reason.
It's been years and I still hate nearly everything about the newer car (but my wife loves it, which I guess was the actual design intent - mostly the only thing we agree on is that the touchscreen is dangerous dogshit, and the speed limit recognition is a deathtrap when it downshifts in flowing traffic at 50 because it saw a 30 sign on a sideroad).
They even disable the touch screen while the car is moving. They seem to “get it” if you ask me. They’re not blindly following trends like throwing climate controls into the screen.
> throwing climate controls into the screen.
Urgh, yes! I wouldn't mind so much if you could do it from the steering wheel controls. It already does a limited subset of phone, media and navigation that way, adding climate, which is only a few actions anyway, seems like it would fit right in to the UI there.
I feel like a lot of people who have the basic “fan and blue/red” climate controls assume that people in Teslas are swiping all over the place while they drive to change climate settings, but in reality you step in and your driver profile loads your settings and you probably never have to touch the climate control.
Then again I swear that everyone I know who owns fancier cars than me refuses to hit the “auto” button and use the feature they paid for.
I do change the climate controls quite a bit, but this is the UK where you're only ever 34 seconds from the windows steaming up and the temperature changing all the time. Maybe somewhere with a consistent climate it's easier.
My Kia has awful rear control where you push a physical button to bring up an ok screen interface that doesn’t react to any physical buttons. Other models have the same physical interface (same buttons, same screen), but allow adjusting the on screen settings with physical buttons. I usually have a lot of kids in the back, and find having to muck with an awful on screen interface (not because it’s on screen, but because they require multiple steps to do things I should just be able to tap on) to be a safety issue.
Because you're always dressed the same?
Like in winter if you go for a short trip you have winter jacket and you cook if the heating is too strong, but if you're going for a longer trip then you want your jacket off for comfort and you need an higher temperature :)
I would still prefer some climate control buttons but I’m not sure their absence would be a dealbreaker for me depending on the car.
I'd still rather everything was a physical control, but if they have to remove every traditional control, the least they can do is provide access to that function though the dashboard interface, which they already do for several functions. Just not that one.
To me, the ideal “Jetsons” climate control system never needs to be interacted with.
That is a JDM "feature" that can be defeated with a $5 part in case you want do something dangerous like ask your passenger to adjust the GPS navigation while on the move.
> They’re not blindly following trends like throwing climate controls into the screen.
I agree, buttons and dials are so much easier to use safely, especially with muscle memory.
As for touchscreen, although the car has one, I can control music and volume through physical buttons on the wheel, and there is a panel with physical buttons for AC/heating.
I always feel a bit confused when people complain about new cars, my experience has been great.
And steering going full left kills you in ways the brakes and gas can't.
After I left I heard that they removed the key as kill switch too for some stupid reason.
Or a hacker setting steeringWheelGain_S16 to 0 and turn full left.
"[The expert witness concluded that] Toyota’s electronic throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality. Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs that can cause unintended acceleration (UA)."
There are details in the article. It's horrifying stuff. My personal favorite aspect: "The Camry ETCS code was found to have 11,000 global variables."
Many mild hybrid cars use a 48V system for the motor. It's probably going to get more common over time.
Except they have a 12v solenoid to engage/disengage the drive voltage in the event of a crash, which is why if you leave your lights on you might need a 12v "jump" even if the drive battery is fully charged.
Honest question: is there something else than path dependence preventing just switching everything in a car from 12V to 48V? Even interior lighting? Ie is there some place where 12V is actually significantly better for physics reasons?
The safety differences between 12V and 24V are largely trivial. Mostly comes down to wire sizing as 24V can use smaller wires to carry the same power, which some may argue is safer than 12V as the current is halved (but I wouldn't)
Modern chemistry batteries are VERY good at providing their stored charge instantaneously across their terminals. Lookup videos of someone dropping a wrench on a car battery for a real life example (spoilers: the wrench welds itself to the terminals immediately and spectacularly.)
Humans, as big bags of ferrous liquids, literally have only our skins to help increase our impedance against electrocution when touching ANY metal in series with a battery short. A measley 100 _milli_ amps is enough to stop our hearts. Let's not pretend DC batteries are safe and treat 12V and 24V batteries with the same caution they deserve.
I would hope emergency responders are trained against electrocution risks regardless, as fuses can be bypassed when crushed metal is involved near battery compartments in any crash.
As for fire concerns it's more about battery chemistry than voltage. Lithium ion being more combustible than lead acid, nickel cadmium.
As for first responder training, assume they have none. The first person at a scene will be some rando person reaching in to pull a kid out of a burning car, or it is that kid themselves climbing out of the wreckage.
https://thedriven.io/2023/03/20/why-teslas-move-to-48-volt-e...
It also says Tesla is doing a lot of 48V stuff in house. Likely because they are finding it difficult to source those parts externally?
[1] https://www.edn.com/toyotas-killer-firmware-bad-design-and-i...
How is that worth it?
Steering columns collapse on impact (takes very litte force) and this has been the case since.. I don't know, but a very long time. If you drive a car from the 50s or 60s you probably need to worry about this.
> Over-the-air software updates would be possible for the steering system. However, such remote updates are not currently allowed by legislation.
Based on the wording, I wonder if that means "it is illegal for the steering system to have a network connection" or if it means "it's possible to OTA update the steering system, but it would be illegal for an OTA update to do so".
After all, as the old adage goes: "If you ban software updates, then only criminals will be able to update software." Similarly: "Patches don't kill people. Catastrophic boot loops at speed do.", or: "You can pry my auto-updating steering wheel out of my cold dead hands".
Has anyone here ever owned a car that didn't have at least one safety recall due to the CAM bus protocol being terrible? Are they running steering over CAM or some bespoke (and probably somehow worse) thing?
The growing masses of 'the poor' (formerly 'the working class') will have no transport, no jobs, and no hope. What wasn't taken from them by automation and AI will be taken by mostly-futile attempts to fix the climate.
British cities are not so nice to cycle in, and a lot of that infrastructure is hard to retro fit
These days (in the UK) the thieves have battery-powered angle grinders to defeat locks. A fancy new bike, especially a costly e-bike, won't last long in many places. And nobody is going to confront a thief armed with an angle grinder.
A battered old bike may last longer, but you still often see the carcasses of bike frames locked to railings where wheels and other parts have been stolen, and the rest of the bike was then abandoned. It certainly doesn't encourage the adoption of cycling, even by those who can cope with the hills, weather, and traffic.
I could buy a new electric cargo bike every year for the amount I spent on my car when I had one.
Cities just to have an obvious purpose, but can successful cities be sustained in an era where so much retail has moved online, and jobs are being automated or done remotely, and the extreme costs of living or doing business in a city centre are getting harder to justify.
I work from home but I love that last night my wife and I took a pleasant 15 minute walk through pretty streets to get to a wine bar and hang out.
Tokyo has had a housing surplus since 1968 despite a continually increasing urban population.
Housing affordability isn’t really an issue of city versus suburbs, it’s an issue of zoning and urban planning.
While it may be tragic to everyone involved, it does warm the heart to think that a cataclysm will be fair in that it will exterminate poor and billionaire alike.
A number of countries transitioned from car-dependent to increasing their cycling and transit usage and I’m hoping America jumps aboard that train (pun intended).
- would have selected wheel if it was an option on order
- ~4 days after delivery I was ambivalent to it
- ~2 weeks after delivery I preferred the yoke. Better visibility is nice.
That said, it would obviously be better if it was drive by wire with variable steering ratio. I’d probably pay some amount of money to switch to that.
https://www.macsmotorcitygarage.com/reinventing-the-wheel-a-...
Another "good" steering wheel idea that has never become popular:
Similarly, you can always spot an Auzzi because they steer while keeping thumbs outside of the steering wheel. In a country with a greater offroad tradition, kids are taught to keep thumbs outside the wheel in case it jumps.
They seemed to multiply on their own and attach to steering wheels in pickups and even Saabs once they had colonized all the farm equipment.
It was dangerous but I could still steer, and I'd feel when the pump was going off.
This would be even worse.
Hopefully drive by wire steering will be more robust, or it will be a death trap.
So your car locks you in and drives you to the nearest police station. You pull up and a robot comes to the window, doors unlock, it tells you to step out with your hands up.
A drone then pops out and circles you three times, scanning for weapons using x-rays if some kind.
After that the robot tells you to follow and you walk into the police station.
In the police station, the robot brings you to a room. You sit. Robot leaves and door locks behind. Then a screen pops up out of the table and you see a remote meeting with a corrections officer…
You’d think that our robot AI overlords would calculate how wasteful personal vehicle infrastructure is and how un-optimized they are for human health and well-being, lowering the efficiency of the enslaved populace, and make corrections.
The present state of North American city design explains so much about what is wrong with North America.
Health and obesity, housing costs, pollution and emissions, isolation versus community, human safety and premature injury/death…the list goes on. It’s a politically deep topic.
Somehow, they have enough other severe problems that this is toward the bottom of my top ten list of reasons not to buy GM products.
I would like to be able to update at my leisure via USB drive though. My current vehicle makes you go to a dealer to update anything because the software is locked behind a paywall. As such it’s never seen any sort of update in the last 10 years.