EPA plans to limit or eliminate salmon-killing tire chemical found in Alaska
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The other day I helped haul a boat out of the water that had illegally used TBT-based antifouling. Holy fucking shit, it was like magic. All the other boats I had hauled out had modern antifoulings and significant marine growth, which significantly impacts performance in the water. That boat was practically spotless. The difference was immediately obvious. Any boat owner knows the increase in speed and fuel economy from a clean hull is massive - and now you can’t get anything nearly as effective as TBT. In the US it’s a felony and a quarter million dollar fine and rightly so, it’s toxic to marine life.
Does anyone know how effective 6PPD is? Would tires without it be significantly worse?
This EPA announcement says reduce to <5% by 2021, which to me means there wasn’t a little copper but rather it was a major ingredient.
https://www.epa.gov/npdes/copper-free-brake-initiative
If the copper is bound to the hull paint well enough, maybe it’s fine? Or maybe fine in fresh water.
If it's bound up in the paint matrix it's kind of hard for it to poison those pesky critters, no? AFAIU all biocide based anti fouling paints work by being more or less ablative, continually exposing fresh biocide to the surface.
There might be a causative link. Life is parsimonious. If there is a niche, it will tend to exploit it. That means taking advantage of as many chemical pathways as possible.
Effective materials alter their environment—that is what makes them effective. But when released, uncontrolled, to disrupt the broader status quo, it follows that they are likely—somewhere—to alter a pathway critical to a life form.
The solution is containment. Effective materials should be shielded and reclaimed wherever possible. We know we can do this, because we do for chemicals toxic or very valuable to humans.
Or perhaps encourage a beneficial species to grow on the hill that won’t impede water flow (Eg special bacteria)
At https://www.epa.gov/npdes/copper-free-brake-initiative some point between the two I came across someone who thought that what was really happening is that the electricity attracted coral polyps. So I’m wondering if charging the hull would cause very different problems?
But strictly speaking don’t sacrificial anodes already charge the hull? Doesn’t seem to slow them down much.
>Any boat owner knows the increase in speed and fuel economy from a clean hull is massive - and now you can’t get anything nearly as effective as TBT.
As far as I know there's been a lot of interesting progress on alternatives in just the last decade, even if that's not at all evenly distributed yet. I remember reading "Fouling Release Coatings: A Nontoxic Alternative to Biocidal Antifouling Coatings" [0] a decade ago as an interesting overview, and looking around seems like there has been significant progress since then. Advances in fluoropolymer brushes [1] looks pretty promising for example. Some of these may be more costly, but again the issue with the originals being "cheaper" is that they don't actually price in their true costs.
That said it would probably be more effective if there was a solid international framework and norms so that bans could be better coupled with future capital support for transition to more effective options once they come out (or best of all of course if they already exist). Including dealing with incentives around IP. If some new non/low-toxicity coatings appear that is easy for rich country users to immediately apply but folks in the Caribbean can't afford saying not merely "TBT is banned" but "we'll arrange you to get this replacement for cheap/free" might significantly reduce/eliminate ban evasion.
0: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/cr200350v | https://sci-hub.st/10.1021/cr200350v
Similarly, I can't figure out why today's paper straws are soaked in PFAS instead of being coated in food-grade wax, as they were during the ~ 80 years before plastic straws were invented. Wax coated paper straws suck, but then, so do pfas coated paper straws, so that's not the reason.
If you don't pay for that, you're not charging the full cost of the chemical and instead stealing those funds from the rest of society.
Which is to say, DEET is not a huge problem for the environment and any impact on the environment is not part of its effectiveness.
Don't get me wrong, DEET isn't bad enough to be illegal. It washes away in the rain. It doesn't foul up groundwater, and although it does get washed into rivers and streams, it really doesn't do much once it's there.
I mention DEET as another example of a chemical that is bad for the environment because it's too good at its intended purpose - did not mean to indicate that it's as bad as that boat coating stuff.
[1]: https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/potential-impact-of-mosquito-a...
I mean... working as intended? It's marine life that makes up the growth.
6PPD isn’t toxic to fish, but it transforms to something that is as the tires wear. This seems like an honest mistake on the part of the industry. Many manufacturers already voluntarily phased it out based on early scientific results. The replacements are used as food preservatives for human edible products, and are presumably mostly fine.
The regulators are swiftly banning 6PPD anyway (as they should).
Hopefully, moving forward, the regulators will further mandate that manufacturers measure the environmental impact of their newly proposed tire dust (instead of tire ingredients) moving forward.
Is there a mechanism to prevent something similar in this case?
Some more details after I wanted to check my own assumptions [0]. This paper is an awesome read.
Chromium comes with the asterisk that hexavalent chromium is quite dangerous even in small quantities. I haven't found anything on the form of Chromium leeched from (relatively) cold temperature cooking or room temperature containing. Everything I've seen is in the context of worker exposure during hot work (welding).
After that, the release follows an exponential decay (unlike with plastics, where once the outer layer is abraded, leaching speeds up).
Apparently nickel adds a small (tiny?) amount of corrosion resistance, and I think that austentitic steel is more ductile, but there is no shortage of extremely cheap non-austentitic cookware out there.
So why does nicer cookware usually contain nickel?
But yeah, I avoid anything made of polycarbonate (especially in food contact) for that reason, but with water bottles and things it’s not super common except for some sports water bottles here in Australia.
I have to think we can do better. Why live in fear of nails and spend a thousand dollars every 20-40k miles?
The thing is we have never used less land, and we have never used less fuel, you’re falling directly into a paradox of that kind of thinking. So while you’re right, honestly that line of thinking of yours has been totally co-opted.
This is coming from someone who used to do “Green revolution blah blah,” but I’m not in high school anymore, we all have more wisdom, we don’t have to say stuff that sounds smart anymore. We can obey what the most passionate and expert opinions are - reduce toxins everywhere, even at the cost of efficiency - and only good things will happen in our day to day lives.
They don’t make them for my EV though, The OEM (bridgestone) ones last under 10K miles for me, and are $1200-$1500 a set installed.
Nails are obviously an issue with both, but I’m going to avoid cars with uncommon tire geometries moving forward!
(edit: bridgestone tires. I had the wrong brand before)
https://www.mybmwi3.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17880
Will need to look into this in approximately 10 months, since I put new tires on last week.
https://www.teflon.com/en/consumers/teflon-coatings-cookware...
All those guidelines apply to cooking with oil on plain metal as well.
At high temperatures oil is worse than Teflon for birds.
Easier to catch cause they're already dead from 6PPD.