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Sam Bankman-Fried and other FTX staff allegedly had 'Wirefraud' chat group (2022)

theguardian.com

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I’m not trying to defend him, so before you smash that downvote button don’t miss the message here... But taking someone’s personal communications out of context always looks bad. It’s actually something we need to be very careful with going forward into the future as a society. There are entire generations of kids whose life is completely recorded online somewhere now. Adults, roughly 36 years and older, didn’t have to live with this hanging over them. We have the potential to derail a lot of good people who in their youth may make poor choices.

SBF is clearly not one of these people I feel is ‘misunderstood’, but let’s just recognize how easy it is to abuse this concept.

This is very poorly understood, there is a thread about EU regulsting facebool with plenty of people vlaiming that privacy is overvalued and irrelevant.

The fact that these chats are saved forever is scary.

i also have no sympathy for fraud, but if you ecpress something silly or spicy or plain stupid in communication with frieds, that should bot follow you forever. And thing said in Jest or with irony or with sarcasm will not translate well

I disagree completely.

How do we reconcile 'haha funny joke' vs '65b loc for my girlfriend'? It seems transparent that this was a deliberate fraud and the group chat was named according.

I am not defending these guys in particular. Screw them

I am lamenting the general fact that you could be, erronously, accused of a crime in year 2055, and the prosecution will get to see your entire life.

And then they show the jury this person has propensity to commit crime, they stole crisps from the supermarket at age of 12, they incorrectly filled in customs declaration when they were 19, they smuggled in Insulin from Canada at the age of 25, and they commited a felony by shipping a lobster in an incorrect container. at 30! They must be the killer!

I used to see a lot of jokes on venmo payment reasons suggesting the payment was for drugs, hookers, body disposal or some combination of the three. Definitely a bad idea but context is important.

But I read somewhere some things are banned and will void your payment (North Korea or Iran laundering jokes)

Who hasn't sent someone money with the tagline "for services rendered" with a smirk...

This is precisely what I'm talking about. You absolutely have a right to communicate or joke around with your friends in private in any manner you please, and should not face any repercussions for doing so, provided all other parties are consenting. This right has existed with humans since the invention of language.

I’m nearing 50, and it was drilled into me that anything you do online/write online could spread far and wide “don’t write something that you wouldn’t want published in the newspaper with your photo”

Everything I’ve ever written at work even in chat is with the thought of a permanent record.

Personal email, I follow same thought of posterity and publication.

Even on anonymous forums I would assume it is possible to do an IP trace to me if someone got interested enough.

Paper trail existed as an idea long before current generation, and I’m surprised the son of lawyers didn’t understand that better than most.

The problem with that is that everything is something you did online now. People are constantly recording. There’s an astonishing amount of embarassing shit on TikTok just because someone was recording at the right time. Maybe in the past you could just exercise good judgement and not “put online” anything you wouldn’t want to be permanently public, but that’s not really a sound strategy anymore.

Maybe these guys actually wanted to see the inside of a jail cell

Maybe they just practiced German on that group [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirecard

Old news and Sam Bankman-Fried says he wasn't a member anyway :-)

https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1602419187296641024

He also claimed to be not guilty...

That settles it then....

Most credible source

This tweet is quoted in the article

SBF isn't exactly a useful source on anything SBF does or doesn't do.

A noted liar, who has just been convicted of multiple counts of fraud, says it's not real? Oh, well, mustn't be, then.

(2022)

These people partied a lot.

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