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I’m quite appalled. Pre-order now! Wonderful new TLD! Buy!

But, it will cost an extra $1m if you want to do it now. Later than that, pay less but wait longer, and risk losing it.

So, pay up or get lost. Can’t afford $1m for a domain? Sorry, bozo, maybe you can have the scraps when the bullies are done eating.

This whole business is massive trash. The days of owning your own domain with any kind of nice name are fading and being replaced with “premium” domains with massive prices.

I very much would like domains to bugger off and be replaced by something that isn’t becoming another swamp on the Internet.

With that, most of the companies that can register .ing for you, listed on their website, will tell you that “.ing” does not exist. Clearly, Google didn’t tell them about launch or they aren’t ready.

This whole thing makes me sad. The Internet is dying and being replaced by literally anything for a quick buck. Now with added smoke and mirrors.

Does it even matter anymore?

Domains have been replaced with apps and search anyway. Outside of maybe the top 100 domains, how many people are actually typing out a domain?

Websites are still super relevant, especially for more serious / professional usages, or in random circles like gaming (since PC gaming is a thing that refuses to die). Domains are still the primary way you get to control your web presence, and websites are still easier to spin up than apps while providing much more flexibility and control.

I do think it depends on what kind of sites you are building. If it's say a recipe website, sure people will just Google it and click on a link. But for websites with a specific purpose I think a easy-to-remember or at least a not-sketchy looking domain name still has some values. Some random examples: wikis (which actually have a .wiki TLD now), professional tools like Figma, a service that you want to sell, or let's say a social site like Discord, I feel that having a clean domain name still makes a difference. I don't know if anyone will ever be able to quantify it though.

E.g. I have been following gaming tournaments, and a lot of them are hosted on start.gg. I find that I can definitely remember it much easier than otherwise and I don't want to use an app for something like that, nor do I feel like bookmarking it.

(Note: To be fair though, start.gg is using a country-TLD and I personally have a distaste of abusing country TLDs like .gg/.io/.ly/.tv/etc but that's another story)

I wonder if there’s a better alternative to current domain formats? Like, wouldnt it be great if you could just use your organization name without an extension? Like just google or apple or whatever. Instead of google.com or apple.com

You can’t register tlds with those names anyway (a random person can’t register google.xyz) so why bother with extensions? Maybe not get rid of the altogether but as an alternative?

It's possible to register at the root, but ICANN has disallowed it for gTLDs (countries see ccTLDs as TLDs they "own" so ICANN isn't interested in trying to impose too many rules on them - http://ai. )

And companies have definitely purchased their own TLD for use cases that don't violate ICANN. For example:

https://blog.youtube

https://applecard.apple

https://pki.goog/

https://goo.gle

and of course https://registry.google / https://blog.google which was the domain submissed.

I think people get more value out of the unified search/url bar "just working" without having to think how to use it than they'd get out of not having to type ".com". If they want that kind of workflow they kind of already have it in the form "apple" enter -> first result.

It would also mean every single word entry would have to hit the root level of this public name lookup system since the client wouldn't know until after it checked.

> It would also mean every single word entry would have to hit the root level of this public name lookup system since the client wouldn't know until after it checked.

Caching at multiple levels should work fairly well for this?

AOL keywords!

You joke, but that was a better system and user experience than whatever the world we have now...

exactly, they aren’t

they click ads and direct links in their group chats and timelines

it’s been like that for a loooong time, entrepreneurs are just clinging to SEO concepts from a decade ago in a void of alternate frameworks that would apply generically

If you could sway people to change the "scary IP DNS settings" you could crush the TLD racket overnight.

Change your DNS server to OpenDNS projects like OpenNIC. [0]

There is nothing stopping me from running my own .ing tld on my own DNS servers other than the mainstream default ISP configured to the de-facto. It's not illegal.

[0] https://www.opennic.org/

Many hosts these days make that quite easy, fortunately. Though at the same time it's still a bit of black magic that most folks are intimidated by

How exciting! grift.ing is available.

I guess domain.grift.ing would be a fun alias to register and set up.

Makes me wanna boycott that whole TLD tbh

Run a caching DNS resolver for your own devices and have it return NXDOMAIN for everything under .ing and other TLDs that you don’t like

You either boycott, or you can be the k.ing! :D

I see eat.ing, own.ing, fad.ing and be.ing, th.ing, dy.ing, anyth.ing

Plop!

Interestingly, it seems I made pre-registrations for .ing in 2016 that I had forgotten about. Unsure if they are still valid.

poop.ing*

Great. There's a Dutch bank called ING. I can't wait for all the phish.ing to start. IMHO all those new TLDs are just a huge mistake and a blatant money-grab.

>> IMHO all those new TLDs are just a huge mistake and a blatant money-grab.

Especially with this one. There is no room for competition since each verb can only be used once with the ing suffix. Well, competition for who is willing to pay the most, but from the consumer side there can only be one URL.

i mean, if you can't get fuck.ing/cool, you can go with reallyfuck.ing/cool or getsurf.ing gosurf.ing learnsurf.ing or justhang.ing/out etc

I think I'm at my limit of dumb domain names for no reason though, so I'll pass on this round.

Reallyfuckingcool.net or .org available, same for getsurfing, learnsurfing and justhangingout. With all these domains there’s no real point unless you are getting a dictionary word or a specific name, imho.

Which just outlines how it is a money-grab for existing property owners. Yet another stupid vanity domain you're forced to add to your portfolio!

reallyfuckingcool.ing

Ugh, when I saw the HN headline about this TLD I thought it belonged to ING Group, just like .barclays and .chase belong to their corporate owners. Just shows how suited this TLD is for phishing...

If I were the lawyers at ING, I would be sending Google it cease-and-desist with regards to selling any domains with banking related terms. I actually think they would have a reasonably strong claim.

https://bank.ing is ING Bank.

Suuuuure it is!

yeah, right

To be honest both cases are equally strong. Trademark by a bank, and English gerundial suffix. I want to see their lawyers knife fight in a ring while burning piles of cash, it would be an entertaining self resolving problem!

And grammar teachers would sue ING?

On what grounds? ING can sue on grounds of owning a trademark.

Don't they sell .zip TLDs now too?

I hate that mentioning example.zip now turns into a link in modern chat programs. At least link preview can be disabled... Also .py is annoying but that one I can understand more why it reasonably needs to exist.

I don't get it, and I'm sure some people fall for the scams, but .com has been a dangerous file format since before the internet became common and that hasn't been much of a problem either.

My guess is that it'll only be a matter of time before .png and .jpg will be TLDs.

If someone is allowed to make .xlsm a TLD I'm 100% quitting the internet.

Yes, they do, huge mistake

...but a lot of fun!

Explain why it’s a huge mistake, please.

They already got the bank.ing domain name.

With this gem on their side:

> While bank.ing is managed by ING, please be aware that any other domain ending with .ing is not an ING website.

And they use it to remind people that the .ing tld is a bad idea.

but do they have fuckof\f.ing for submitting complaints?

Edit: HN doesn't accept FO as one word, it replaces the last `f` with `i`. Try it yourself.

  hunter2

I don't understand, it seems to work for me.

I am old. I forgot about this hunter2 password filter phish reference.

Is this just a trick to see how many people you can get to type 'fuckoff'? :-)

Seems to work for me: Fuckoff fuckoff.ing

Sadly phish.ing is over $1000 / year.

But think of the return

Think of how funny it will be when you send out a social engineering training test email with that URL to your company and see who falls for it.

Wouldn't it be called fish.ing instead, so you'd trick users.

The real money is in spearfish.ing.

I can't wait for creditcard.ing, pinpas.ing, debitkarte.ing, cartededebit.ing, and all the others to be sent across the world.

Might as well pre-emptively add .ing to every phishing list out there.

Mobile app is already first class citizen at ING in some EU countries. One is unable to make transactions or even is locked out completely from all online channels after losing access to their mobile app, or if their app simply stops responding on tapping the "Confirm" button. Web is merely second class citizen. No idea how they arrived to this retarded architectue. Submitting any kind of architectural feedback to a bank is hopeless and helpless, these fuckers always know better.

> No idea how they arrived to this retarded architecture

2FA is known to increase security drastically. It's easy to understand why it's a good idea.

EU banks in particular do this because 2FA for banks is mandated by a EU level directive.

> Submitting any kind of architectural feedback to a bank is hopeless and helpless, these fuckers always know better.

In this case they clearly do.

There are lots of options for 2FA that don't require me to install a bloated and buggy app that only supports one bank.

You don't have to install it, you can ask them to send you a physical 2FA device instead.

In at least one EU country the only available free of charge second factor of 2FA at ING is their FULL MOBILE BANKING APP. You're posting a comment at HN explaining that "mobile banking app is 2FA because security because EU", are you working there?

Hm, last time I tried 3 years ago paper mails were their only channel (after opening an account online). They were so past century. If they do anything with this TLD before improving their basic banking platform/UX it will only prove the point of how retarded they have been.

It is, the reasoning along as to buy an .ing domain is laughable at best. it does nothing that a .com isn't already doing

I mean, strictly speaking, this argument could apply to any public suffix. Why not have every site be its own TLD in a single global namespace?

or maybe they'll buy a whole bunch of insult domains imveryunhappywith.ing dontuse.ing, yourmotherhasapreferenceformassagetoolsfrom.ing

that's so insult.ing

exactly my fist thought :)

I checked for cod.ing and they said it was available. I got my hopes up and went to Godaddy. It costs over $38,000. I guess in some ways that’s good because the purchaser would more likely be someone who wants to launch a legit business or project rather than a squatter. But as others have pointed out, this whole thing is a blatant money grab.

Conspiracy theory here: if you go to a big player like GoDaddy they'll sell their queries and some party will see the domain you want and squat it unless you register right away. Just use the whois command in your terminal.

This is the only conspiracy theory I subscribe to as well, and will never be convinced otherwise.

Are you the one person that believes Epstein killed himself?

Unlike most conspiracy “theories” which are unfalsifiable, this should be pretty easy to prove or disprove. Just search for some random plausibly appealing domains and check to see if they’re registered 24-72 hours later.

It’s not a particularly difficult or clever test to run, so I’m definitely not the first person to come up with it. It’s the kind of thing that’s big news if true but a non-story if false. The fact that no one has found it to be true suggests to me that it’s not happening.

Fwiw I literally did this and within a few days the domain was registered before I could

I remember some claim that whois servers were doing this.

They claim they don’t but you know they ABSOLUTELY DO

Networksolutions does this, godaddy doesnt.

so does namecheap.

Well, fuck.ing costs only $12,999.99/yr.

Not joking I seriously considered snagging that. Reckon I could turn a profit.

The I realised I'd have to deal with the people who'd want to buy it and they are mostly scum.

Sounds like the perfect group of people to take financial advantage of.

That is fine until they make much more money exploiting people than I did exploiting them.

snagg.ing

hope no one is squatt.ing on it

You could always settle for eff.ing, for a mere $116.99/yr.

Electronic-Frontier-Foundation-ing?

Something I should probably do more of...

…and then sell wooden furniture there :D

https://wiki.lspace.org/Effing_Forest

Not only furniture. Also proper carpentry. Remember the Effing Stairs.

or f.ing for $129,999/yr

I know one-letter domains are popular, but honestly this doesn't seem worth 10x fuck.ing at least to me

Remember when fuck.yu became fuck.me ?

Did domains from parts of Yugoslavia have to migrate to Montenegro? :P

I remember clearly the irony back then!

For phase 9.

Getting it now costs $1.1m/y.

A complete non-brainer for $13k. If you could get it for $13k, you'd already be far too late. I don't see how it's not at least a high 6 figure flip.

clusterfuck.ing though is $27/yr

I miss the early days of the internet when the playing field was level. You could actually get a really cool/good/interesting domain just by thinking of it first, not by being rich.

There should be some system in place like you can only have X% of domains not being actively used for a legitimate purpose. And if you fall below, you will need to pick Y domains to relinquish or they will be randomly relinquished for you.

There isn't remotely any possible way to enforce this. There are thousands of registrars out there and there's no way to know all the domains owned by a single person or company. Even if you solve that problem, now you'd just have domain squatters spinning up shell LLCs.

Also you have no way to properly define "legitimate".

Define legitimate. There are plenty of domains that point to simple images.

I'm with you in spirit, but this is a hard problem to solve.

I'd at least define it as "not just parked for profit."

Well there are annual registration fees and those add up quickly if you are squatting on 1000's of domains for 10+ years.

I hate the premium domain concept.

It is worse than that - it costs $38,000 if you pre-register to buy it in December. It costs $1.3 Million if you want to snag it today.

This is beyond a money grab.

It's called a Dutch or descending price auction and it's a commonly used price-setting mechanism.

Damn. I wanted to buy it today for $10 and sell it for $100,000. How dare they take that from me?

> Starting today, you can register .ing domains as part of our Early Access Period (EAP) for an additional one-time fee. This fee decreases according to a daily schedule until December 5

> this whole thing is a blatant money grab.

Well, Google has to diversify away from being a glorified ad agency. And they are becoming so detached from the reality that more and more people are starting to see them as complete scumbags.

I've reached generic TLD fatigue. There's a new one each week. I regularly buy domains with OVH since they have a wide array of TLDs at a good price[0]. Over the years I let many of them expire because either 1) I let my dreams die, or 2) I couldn't afford to renew it. Mostly it's because I let my dreams die, not financial shortcomings though.

[0] https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/domains/tld/

That's a very succint way of putting it. Exotic TLDs are completely unecessary to deliver content. The more that exist, the harder it is to remember them, which is counter to the entire point of DNS.

The more often they’re used, the more likely someone will be able to own <noun>.<noun> or <verb>.<noun> or whatever, rather than “catching 3-4 letter thing you can say alloud” + “current trend of website name hacking” + “current cc tld used in current trend”.

E.g. “Bit.ly”, “Tindr”, and so on.

poop dot bike

Domain squatting is not what it used to be... unless it's max 5 characters in total, simply let it go.

I think Cloudflare beats the price for most regular TLD. Nothing else comes close.

So as I understand, they sold the Google domain business to Squarespace but will keep Google Registry with all its questioning new TLDs like .zip.

there's a clear (to the general public, it's absolutely not at all clear) separation of concerns between registries, registrars, and registrants.

Google Domains was a registrar.

the Registry itself has some arcane and obfuscated corporate name that was something entirely different from Google LLC (Charleston Road Registry Inc)

> the Registry itself has some arcane and obfuscated corporate name that was something entirely different from Google LLC (Charleston Road Registry Inc)

That's interesting, more interesting is that Google created this Inc to workaround ICANN requirements

"Charleston Road Registry (CRR), also known as Google Registry, is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Google. Because ICANN requires that registrars and registries remain separate entities, and Google is an ICANN-accredited registrar, CRR exists as a separate company from Google. We offer equivalent terms to all registrars in terms of pricing, awarding domains, or any other domain operations; we'll partner with any ICANN-accredited registrars that are interested in our domains and meet any additional criteria that we set for a TLD." [1]

[1] https://www.registry.google/faqs/

This is pretty common, as far as I understand. Many registries will run their own registrar, but I don’t believe they can give any special anything for their registrars compared to other registrars.

I get the idea sometimes that the "concept" of a TLD is being destroyed. Whether that be intentionally or unintentionally, I get the hints that we're headed toward AOL keywords all over again.

The "concept" of tlds was already pretty much destroyed with .com boom. Even in late 90s there was basically no true organization or hierarchy on the top level, .com/.org/.net etc were all free for all and most cctlds did not establish any 2nd level domains either (uk being prominent counter-example)

The only hierarchy that really exists and makes sense is the ccTLDs, but only some of them. .de, .cn, .fr, .uk, etc., these are mostly registered by people and businesses within the actual country and used within the country as well. But there's so many other ccTLDs like .us, .io, .ai, .ly, .me, .co, etc., where they're functionally just two-letter generic TLDs, and the hierarchy doesn't work for them.

.me in particular is moving to square space, and Google shut off all of my automatic renews because of it, wreaking havoc when a few of them expired recently.

Just as a heads up.

They're adding ".mov" too. Freaking amazing from a threat actor's point of view.

I am genuinely surprised that ICANN allowed .zip and now .mov. That was a very serious failing of their job. dot .. local? or something? was another huge miss on their part.

Google went from allowing you to buy domains with one click to now showing you logos of companies you can buy them from, not even making them clickable

Interest(.ing)ly I could right click to open in new tab

I noticed the same thing! Leave it to one of the world's largest monopolies to botch such a basic call to action.

For me it works if I disable uBlock Origin.

...if we're going to keep doing this, why even have top level domains anymore? How do they improve UX?

Writing "draw.com" makes it clear you're referring to a (commercial) website. But "draw.ing"? Just drop the stupid dot: "drawing".

I don't mind it, it's harder for squatters to control the name you want and if your product/service takes off eventually you just buy the quality TLDs as desired. So many people now just follow links through search, mobile apps, social media posts (etc) vs. typing them in, so having a mint TLD is becoming less important.

Recently I wanted a domain and a squatter was firm on $8k, basically just ignored the sales tactics and after some digging found the same name at an equally great TLD for ~$250.

Overall it's a win, domain squatters will start to realize they're trying to control an increasingly infinite space and those of us doing work on a budget have some leverage to not support their gouging behavior.

ICANN cannot administer every single domain in existence, so they delegate that to other entities. That delegation is segmented by TLD.

Thus, TLDs indicate on who is responsible for administering the domain, and thus who to contact if something has gone wrong (e.g., if law enforcement wants to commandeer a domain). (At least in theory, I'm sure there are ambiguities in practice).

This is a good point, but couldn't the administrator just be part of the WHOIS record?

Every new TLD is a new opportunity for making money, and that’s why they won’t be going away anytime soon.

But making websites harder to find also costs money. "Was it 'draw.ing', 'drawi.ng', or just 'draw.com'? Screw it I'm using Powerpoint."

Although I suppose making websites harder to find would increase Google searches...

I think most people already bank on people searching for sites vs remembering domain names.

Though now, even with a search, which “draw” result is the right one. The TLD can’t be used as much of a filter anymore.

There was a period where non-technical people would reflexively add ".com" to the end, getting "draw.ing.com"

It doesn’t cost money to registries and registrars, who are making the money.

I am gett.ing tired of Google/Alphabet using their de facto "CEO of internet searches" position to coerce new gTLDs galore. Considering the setup fees mentioned somewhere below, I'm not too sure good old modern-art-style money laundering isn't involved either.

I looked at buying transcrib.ing. I got quoted a reasonable price of €17,99 and a less reasonable setup fee of €1.525.570,80. I'm curious about the economics: Who gets that money? And I suppose you don't pay by credit card.

It's currently in the descending price auction phase, so that initial one-time fee will go down over time (unless someone snaps it up first anyway).

Layers of enshitification inception

Google & the registrar, I'd imagine.

Details of the original application: https://icannwiki.org/.ing

Interesting that they've been sitting on this since 2014

Launched today but all those companies already have registered the domains? So the public didn't get fair access to draw.ing??

I'd imagine Google reached out to Canva, ING bank, Adobe, etc and offered those domains for free, so it looks "adopted" by the industry leaders.

Free? Why give them for free when they could make $$$.

I’m surprised Going was in the list. They aren’t exactly Adobe.

Welcome to American capitalism...where there always seems to be an inner circle or initial group of people who already got first chance at something, and then for the rest of us they simply tells us, "hey, everything is equally attainable by everyone, you just have to work hard at it...nothing is given out for free...yada yada..." This whole domain name business is such a BS money grab.

New TLDs are usually opened in multiple phases:

- sunrise, usually reserved to TMCH users (trademarks)

- landrush/EAP (early access program), open to everyone with decreasing price every day of the phase

- pre-registrations, if I remember well it's to ask the registrar to try and register your domain name as soon as the GA phase opens (and you get refunded if the domain is already taken)

- and general availability

This is classic shit in the domain name business, nothing new here

Nobody is actually doing anything interesting with these. It all seems to be marketing landing pages intended to direct you to the real URL.

> Nobody is actually doing anything interesting with these.

Now wait a second, that's not at all true. In my experience there are armies of people who use them to launch targeted phishing attacks at my business if they buy the goddamn thing before I do.

At a certain point if you are lucky enough to have a business that's worth targeting, every new gTLD is just another fuck.ing security expense.

Is phish.ing available?

Most phishing I've encountered comes from .com, in my experience. Everything but ccTLDs seems to be listed in some kind of spam filter (I tried to email from a personal .xyz domain for a while, it just doesn't work). .ru is also quite popular for some reason, but that seems to be mostly untargeted phishing attemps. Most shit comes from legitimate(-looking) gmail.coms and outlook.coms.

I have a feeling people trust .com and .net more than they trust .zip and .mov. Without .com, the URL just looks weird to some people.

I can see why you dislike new TLDs if you're trying to protect your company, but you'll always have that problem. It's not like you're going to transfer money to the Taliban to register yourcompany.af, but criminals don't care, the money they transfer is probably stolen anyway.

One exception is the fact that there's an international bank called "ING". They've already registered bank.ing but I don't think they can come close to claiming all possible phishing attempts for their customer base.

While what you say is completely true, unfortunately how I do my own security has very little to do with how my customers do their security. I see ccTLD and gTLD used in spearphishing and domain impersonation attacks on a frequent enough basis that I have form letters for the abuse reports. Start collecting some backscatter with a DMARC policy and you might be surprised at what you discover.

Turns out companies don't want to abandon whatever perfectly good domain they've already been using for decades just so they can have a funny TLD, who would've thought. Only new brands can really benefit from it.

You mean the new brands/companies that don't already have billions of dollars in revenue and can't afford to buy them? Cool, cool.

Modern TLDs are used in various smaller services. squoosh.app comes to mind for something I use. The Fediverse is also full of alternative TLDs: lots of .social, .chat, .lol, .place, and .world in the instance list. .com has been exhausted for a while, if you don't want to buy your new domain from a squatter you'll probably need to go through thisworddoesnotexist.com or register domains that look like .onion URLs.

If squatters and registrars weren't so shite, I could absolutely see a new service with a name like "share.zip" or "you.mov" taking off. call.ing seems like a perfect domain for a video chat service. Too bad these domains cost several thousands of dollars (as a starting price).

Too bad any domain with fewer than five letters has been registered by the companies selling these domains the moment the TLDs came out.

Domains aren't used by multi million dollar companies, but plenty of blogs and other independent servers using the alt-TLDs.

So is the way this works that Google pays a bunch of money to ICANN, and then they get the .ing TLD, and can make money by selling individual .ing domains? Is there like a bidding process that ICANN uses to decided who gets the TLD in the first place?

Yes: https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions

In theory this is beneficial as it helps fund the ICANN and keep it independent. But the reality is that these are effectively money printing machines, effectively out of reach for all but large corporations, which bring questionable value to the internet in general. I selfishly hope that we can establish a free TLD, or at least one which just directly funds ICANN operations instead of benefitting rich middle men.

Free TLDs end up full of bad actors and then face significant legal problems as a result (which they can't afford to defend). See e.g.: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2023/03/sued-by-meta-freenom-hal...

If it's such a money printing machine why not just get a loan, print the money, and then pay off the loan?

.onion

I think eventually, the idea of limited, restricted TLDs will be an amusing historical fact (and that's already the case in some ways). But I do share some of the concern about scams/phishing. It certainly seems to confuse less savvy(lax?) users, at least.

Wait... did I just download a 12MiB GIF of someone struggl.ing to feed themselves, someone pok.ing a lightbulb and someone dodg.ing an arrow?

Meanwhile Namecheap just launched .bot tld today, that I think is frankly, quite cool.

https://www.namecheap.com/domains/registration/results/?doma...

Does Namecheap keep a list of new TLDs they are releasing? This page doesn't seem to be updated: https://www.namecheap.com/domains/explore-new-tlds/

Very sure .bot has existed for some years (6?) now.

From what I understand it was locked up by Amazon and not actually available for registration, it was released to namecheap for registration today.

About $60 a year minimum not cheap

You're right, but there's some good ones still available. Like 2-chars (they're more than $60)

butt.bot anybody?

not.bot

op.bot

qup.bot

battle.bot

be.bot

I feel like I should buy

Alloftheth.ing/s

And have it point to my pile of novelty domains which I bought for side projects that I've yet to start.

But I feel like whoever owns th.ing should make it a glorified wiki site for Thing from the Addams family

I run `thatwas.notverycash.money/ofyou/` and can tell you without a doubt that this is a great idea that is not at all necessary to act on. You'll get a couple laughs and then it's just a $15/year fee for the domain lingering over your head and credit card.

When I do $ whois search.ing, it says "Domain not found.". But if I enter it on get.ing, it says "search.ing is already taken."

Kinda strange, maybe Google doesn't want to use it themselves because it could be seen as monopolistic, but also doesn't want to sell it?

I spent some time figuring out how to buy:

1. You have to spend like obscene amount of money to get the domain right now. The amount decreases every day till Dec 5.

2. In Godaddy, You pay for pre-registration of the domain, when it opens on Dec 5 and assuming nobody grabbed it before, you'll have a chance at the lottery with other bidders of purchasing it.

3. Godaddy priority registration is showing wrong pricing. The Phase 1 and 2 are already over and hence showing 20$ prices. From Phase 3 the actual prices start.

According to GoDaddy fuck.ing is still available. It also recommended fuck.glass, fuck.contractors, and fuck.barcelona. These new TLDs are pretty neat.

Great, another goldmine "discovered" by Google. They'll make loads of money out of thin air and in the meantime allow people to create some confus.ing and phish.ing web sites (sorry for the pun :-))

For people wondering how some of these domains are already reserved, new TLDs are usually made available in different phases:

- Sunrise is open to TMCH users (trademarks)

- EAP/Landrush (Early Access Program) is available for a few days/weeks before GA and the price decreases periodically (usually an EAP is 1 week and the price decreases daily)

- Pre-registrations are a "fake" phase in which you can pre-order a domain to the registrar, and they'll order it for you as soon as the GA opens (if the domain was already sold during earlier phases, or if someone pre-registered at another registrar that happened to be faster, you'll get refunded). It's a kind of backorder, specific to pre-GA phase

- GA (General Availability), where the TLD is finally open to everyone at GA pricing

During all these phases, domains can be sold in "tiers" (eg. "Premium") which is why some domains (1-2 letters, common dictionary words) are more expensive.

Apparently it is only possible to do a pre-registration of a domain name.

I just bought a .ing for 23,07€ / year on godaddy but someone else could still get that domain before me?

What happens in that case? Would I be refunded?

Yes, you won't pay for it if you don't end up getting it.

The DNS is serious internet infrastructure, not your play toy.

The practice of selling TLDs to every two bit dotcom was a mistake and needs to end.

Domain registration is the most fascinating interaction between multiple outlooks. There's the true hacker spirit of DNS resolution as a technology. There's the lawful bureaucracy of ICANN shoe-horning the technology into a legal framework. Then there's the capitalism of registry "operators" who appear to exist almost solely to navigate ICANN.

It really feels like there ought to be a better system.

domains are almost as Lindy (a concept that explains the longevity of things like ideas or technology) as circuit switched telephone numbers. We're not going to shake the concept away for a very long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_number

AOL almost did it.

But a domain is now a virtual signal. Most adverts are "search X" or advertising online already so there is a link. There are plenty of cool non-english but pronounceable words out there you can .com let alone cute things .so, .be, .co, .io, .ai, .gg, .dev, etc.

This is kind of what I mean. You're talking about the DNS part alone here. I can encourage all of my friends to pass `/etc/hosts` around, just like those in Stanford originally did with HOSTS.txt, and I have domains.

The mistake was to let Postel mismanage DNS pretty much alone without any significant oversight or defined policies, that set the groundwork for dns to be free for all wild west of which the current situation is just natural consequence

laying the blaming on a dead guy, classy.

I have no idea if that person should take blame, but is your opinion that the actions of the dead, no matter the circumstances, are beyond criticism?

Whats the problem? Are TLDs running out?

I believe the main problem is lack of competition.

When a customer registers geographical domains, or old school domains like com / net, they can migrate to any other registrar they wish. This option guarantees reasonable prices for customers, even in the very long run.

When a customer registers their domain under TLDs like hot / deals / express they can’t move away unless they’re fine losing their domain name as the result. Most of these TLDs are owned by for-profit companies. IMO, this lack of competition pretty much guarantees the prices will eventually go way higher to extract more profit for these companies.

A while ago, people faced a similar problem with mobile telephone numbers. Many countries have solved the issue with legal measures, they force mobile operators to allow users to migrate to competing operators while keeping their old phone number. Until we have laws forcing internet domain names portability (similar to phone numbers portability), I personally plan to stay away from these new top-level domains.

You are confusing registry and registrar.

Google Registry (https://get.ing) to .ing is what Verisign is to .com, and you can both register them on GoDaddy and transfer them to Gandi.

But ICANN makes a lot of money off of it, and isn't that the important thing?

Not to be confused with Google selling their Domain business to SquareSpace

https://support.google.com/domains/answer/13689670?hl=en

I don't get it, didn't Google sold their domain business?

They sold their registrar. This is their registry.

Nobody owns f**.ing yet?

It's still available, I checked. It just happen to cost 12.5k USD.

I don't really get godaddys pricing on these or what exactly they buy you. They're claiming this price is to preregister to maximize your chance to own it. There is a base rate of $19.99 per year but depending on what word you enter, it quotes up to $12k

Bang.ing = 12k; Smash.ing = 3k; Gni.ing = 100; Whyaresomecheaper.ing = 19.99

Bitcoin.ing shows up as $129,999.99/yr. I think I'll pass.

https://www.godaddy.com/domainsearch/find?checkAvail=1&domai...

The real price is >$1M, try to do the checkout.

b.ing goes for 130k

Just making expensive land out of the ether.

That's not too expensive for some "entrepreneurs" ;-) Especially in the long run it might be a good investment.

dat.ing is still available.

Awesome https://who.is/whois/dat.ing

For a mere $37,500, including renewals.

dingal seems to be available too.

Yeah but what are the AOL Keywords for these sites?

Another tld to add to the corporate filters.

Google registry indicates Namecheap is a preferred partner and supports .ing: https://www.registry.google/register-a-domain/

Yet when I go to Namecheap and attempt to register a .ing, it tells me "unsupported TLD." Which is it?

It seems domains are in a "pre-registration" period, of which only some subset of registrars seem to be supported at this time.

Namecheap isn't supporting the Early Access Program, so if you want to buy through them you'd have to wait until General Availability in December (and hope no one else got the name first through a different registrar that is doing EAP).

Booooo

Is b.ing already taken? If not, buy it ASAP!

Where does this land legally now? Could Microsoft go to ICANN and demand you hand it over for the registration fee or is it first come first serve?

Did everyone forget about the Mike Rowe Soft ordeal? 17 year old Mike Rowe started his own web company and named it MikeRoweSoft.com (on purpose, he knew he was making a pun.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft

For a teen it shows some balls. But he basically would have would have gotten trouble in most jurisdictions with this name.

You could not run an auction site as ibay.com

But you could still use the string in another context. e.g. eBayern

(Bayern=Bavaria)

> Microsoft declined the offer and sent a cease and desist letter spanning 25 pages

This sentence alone increases my adrenaline level. The brainless arrogance of a pack of overpaid lawyers.

MS would do the same thing they already did with wwwbing.com and binf.com: go through the arbitration process to get them repossessed.

Yes, they can demand you hand it over and you will hand it over.

Uzi Nissan didn't hand over his domain.

it's not that simple lol. there's a whole UDRP process they need to jump through.

https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/guide/

Do they have to pay you for it?

That's insane to me.

Edit: I kind of get it with .com domains, but all TLDs?

Even if Brad Ing bought the domain to host his personal blog?

Just wait until Microsoft introduces the .oogle top-level domain!

For the incredible and low price of 130K.

You can still grab bl.ing for the promo price of $3,899! (11/1/23 ~3pm ET GoDaddy quote)

Several registrars are already selling general availability pre-orders. Does anyone know how this works? I have a feeling that, when the general availability period begins, if multiple people pre-ordered the same one, all but one of them are going to get screwed. Do they at least refund you?

Yes and yes.

If you really want a name badly, pony up more to get it sooner and beat out those other people.

There’s a character in “the truth” by Terry pratchett that ostensibly swears a lot in the book - “I don’t have any -ing friends”, etc. but it turns out he’s literally saying -ing (that being the joke). And I will never not think about if I encounter a .ing domain.

Oof. I've been waiting for this TLD since it was first announced, checking it at irregular intervals, because my last name ends on 'ing'. Just hoping that nobody registers it before me (only 4 letters), because clearly I can't pay those premiums.

The domains are now super expensive (for individual clients), but will get cheaper with plan https://www.domainregistry.de/ing-domain.html

Anyone notice the typo/mistake?

"Adobe Acrobat has free online tools that let you easily edit, add comments and fill and sign PDFs right from your browser. Try them out at edit.ing and signing."

They somehow missed sign.ing being properly called out :p

At least only TLD got broken with many new one.

Long lives . root domain.

Please, we don’t need / root domain.

https://www/slashdot/com

speak.ing isn't available but luckily for me speaking.ing is available at only $38,240.33/year !

bor.ing

The whole TLD is just ugly in my opinion.

elon@bor.ing ?

Google has 46 tld that I found, many of them unavailable for public registration. .ads, .android, .app, .boo, .cal, .channel, .chrome, .dad, .day, .dclk, .dev, .docs, .drive, .eat, .esq, .fly, .foo, .gbiz, .gle, .gmail, .goog, .google, .guge, .hangout, .here, .how, .ing, .map, .meet, .meme, .mov, .new, .nexus, .page, .phd, .play, .prod, .prof, .rsvp, .search, .soy, .谷歌, .みんな, .グーグル, .youtube, .zip,

I'm not sure this list is correct, as e.g. according to ICANN Wiki[0] .map is still proposed, not yet delegated.

[0] https://icannwiki.org/.map

Your link's details say the operational agreement was inked in 2016 and the domain entered delegation the following year.

It looks like the page's status flag never got updated all those years ago.

I'm wondering, the info box on the right says the status is proposed, and the linked "Map Status, ICANN.org"[0] lists all 3 applicants. But you are right, maybe I'm reading it wrong.

[0] https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...

Taking domain squatting to the next level.

Stepping back, I kind of feel like Google is abusing their power. Seems like they literally print money by issuing new TLDs every other month or so, for doing… not much. Are people really asking for these TLDs, like .zip and .mov? Some of them almost seems like an extortion where you are forced to protect your brand by buying up relevant domains.

I thought Google sold off their domain business. Is this just an article from Google or is this them going in where the money might be?

They sold Google Domains, which was a domain Registrar. They still own and control their Domain Registry, Charleston Road Registry, Inc. which manages the gTLDs like .ing and .dev.

> suisse.ing

Yeah, excellent.

For those who are unaware 'engineering' in Swiss German is "Ingenieurwissenschaften"

Is that an obvious association to the relavent audience? Mixing the French “suisse” with the German abbreviated “ing” is a little odd to my (french) eyes. Or is suisse also common in Swiss German?

IDK how representative I am but as a German "Suisse" is clearly referring to Switzerland (maybe because it's in some Swiss brand names, e.g. Credit Suisse?) and my two associations with "ing" are ING direct banking and industrial engineering (outside the Bachelor/Master system the degree title prefix for a professional engineer was/is commonly indicated as "Dipl. Ing.").

But I wouldn't overthink this. Someone likely pitched this as a clever marketing campaign to show "technological leadership" (the news section has an article dedicated to the site being one of the first .ing domains as if this is a meaningful technological achievement) and got funding for it. That doesn't mean the site will be there or be maintained a few years from now.

Given that French cantons don't speak German and German cantons would rather speak English than be caught speaking French, no, I doubt this linguistic concoction is obvious to either.

Might work in Fribourg, which is bilingual, but that's still a stretch.

No, Suisse isn't common in Swiss German at all, except for the 'brand', e.g. same as Swiss.

suisse.ing is really weird though for someone like me who is from Switzerland and speaks German and English.

Last I checked, you’re supposed to chose an abstract concept as your name - Amazon.com, not Books.com.

.ing endings make that harder.

Nope. Corporations love to usurp common names and symbols. At some point vain and idle executive board and CXX have a meltdown and decide to "make a statement". Oracle, here, apple, alphabet, magenta color, orange (color and word)...

So Google sold Google Domains but continues to dabble in buying weird new TLDs? Masterful.

gerund.ing is only $45/yr!

Do you like rings ? Do you like wings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpLNA1Dk68M&ab_channel=Peter...

Check availability of googl.ing and search.ing. They are taken. Guess by who.

Honestly at this point, because there are SO many tlds do people even care at this point.

It's just a money grab, and one that is designed to strong arm brands into protecting themselves by buying up all this pointless tlds to avoid brand delusion.

At this point, it seems its likely cheaper to just buy the .com, and let lawyers handle anyone else instead of buying endless pointless tlds, even more so now they are trying this auction/bidding war crap.

How about we put a freeze on all TLDs. and we create rules that require they all go back to a standard fee structure, no auctions, no reserving, etc..

> Google Registry is launching the .ing top-level domain. Here’s how brands and businesses are already using these domains.

Why are brands and businesses already using it if it’s only just launch.ing?

15000€ for the one I had in mind. If I had money I would buy it because I'm 100% sure I could resell it for a lot, but alas I do not have the money

are they insane? Priority for one of the .ing domains I searched for is $1,288,999.99 registration fee and renews at $38,999.99/yr.

That's chump change for a big industry player in insurance, banking, oil/gas etc.

rentseek.ing

I just checked work.ing and it’s is $125k a year.. for ~10k a month, I can do so much more by renting more servers infrastructure.

Number 1 on the list of things we didn’t need.

It is just pre-order, expensive and worth nothing in the end as the good ones will get more bids.

If you want liv.ing, it's only $4,000 a year!

Interestingly, dy.ing is the same price.

Can't I wait to buy these with domains.google!

The temptation is strong to drop 3.75k on bl.ing

omg this is awful

someone cool snap up spider.ing and use it for something that helps democratize the search engine market

We should abolish all top level domains besides country codes, and maybe.gov

There should be exactly one unrestricted tld per country.

This is https://fuck.ing awesome!

nice, going to open a lot of doors

imagine someone automates buying all the verbs(?)

Our new service, automat.ing lets you do just that!

It's exactly what Google want you to do. They made majority verbs prohibitevely expensive premium domains to take their cut.

Which is extra dumb because people won't recognize danc.ing as a legitimate domain and the owners are going to have to pay up for dancing.com or end up with a cheaper alternative called like thedancingapp.com.

could this be the next `.xyz`?

The biggest question is... When will it be cancelled?

TLDs can't be canceled. At most they end up acquired and run by someone else. See: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/ebero-2013-04-02-en

I don't quite get why Google are allowed to operate as TLD market these days.

What are the limits to what can be a new TLD nowadays? Because this seems a bit disappoint.ing and disgust.ing.

Google Registry? Thought they were outta that after the fiasco and outrage with the sale to Squarespace?

...guess shouldn't be surprised Google managed to confuse everyone with multiple seemingly related services. Doh

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