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Louis Rossmann given three YouTube community guideline strikes

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One of the videos they striked him on was an unlisted video with 5 views comparing the speed of Grayjay vs NewPipe.... YouTube is really digging for stuff

Does he actually say anything in these videos that unambiguously violates the youtube guidelines?

Obviously, he's promoting 3rd-party client competitors to YouTube's official app, and that can't be tolerated.

I mean... I'm kinda ok with that? It's Google's servers, maybe they get to decide how people access them, and are perfectly reasonable in including such language in their ToS? Banning a content creator for advocating ToS violations is maybe a little too far (unless the ToS also forbids uploading videos that talk about ways to violate the ToS), but... eh. Not a hill I'd care to die on, really.

There are plenty of very clear cut examples of Google banning people for spurious reasons; I'd rather get up in arms about those.

Google is within their right to do this but it's too bad.

The unlisted video has no audio I believe. Just a screen recording of him opening the two apps

That's against YouTube's terms of service? No silent videos allowed?!

Edit: I think I misunderstood, you're just pointing out that he didn't say anything at all, competitive or otherwise. It got my attention because I have some silent videos that are used to supplement some application notes and would rather they didn't get my account banned.

youtube has classic silent films

How is this against community guidelines?

Youtube has for a while been very strict about anything "hacking tools" adjacent.

Does this include modification of online games where that is against the TOS of the game?

The videos without audio are about hacking tools?

YouTube clearly considers alternate clients to be "hacking" YouTube.

It seems I'm talking to bots at this point. Nevermind.

Louis is doing God's work, I hope he gets cancelled-famous from this.

It looks like he may have a Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/rossmanngroup

The far-right-wing cesspool? The top video there on the homepage right now (a massive full width half-height promo) is Laura Loomer waxing poetic about George Soros stealing the 2024 election.

Welp Streisand effect, i'm now working to install grayjay on my laptop and its already up on my phone. maybe i'll make video on Odyssey about it and then say something on youtube linking to said video.

We need more alt-tech companies competing against youtube and the like. They have too much power to silence people.

I think it will come eventually. Bandwidth is getting cheaper (at least I think it is) and video compression is getting better all the time (saving on storage and bandwidth), both lowering the cost of operating such a service.

This is why I feel YouTube’s crusade against ad blockers is short sighted. Sure they can get away with it now but it might cost them in the future against potential competition. Even viewers who don’t watch ads might add value to your platform’s content in the form of comments and votes.

Energy would be better used trying to find out why viewers hate their ads so much and if there is a way to remedy it and get some kind of compensation.

> Bandwidth is getting cheaper

4k video would like a word.

The cost of streaming 4K now is probably lower than the cost of streaming SD when YouTube started.

That may be so, but it's still stupidly expensive and the free investor money seems to have dried up. Not to mention that you'd be competing with an incumbent, which investors don't like unless you have a very clear and hard to replicate edge.

There have been plenty of attempts. The problem is the high barrier to entry. Hosting videos costs a lot and you need a lot of content to keep viewers engaged/paying. If you go the advertizing route, companies don't really want to invest time and money into a platform that doesn't have a wide enough userbase. The only reason why YouTube worked like this is the silly amount of money Google was willing to sink into it.

There is something to be said about more specialized sites like Nebula, but I, for example, canceled my subscription there because the focus was too narrow.

maybe time to build a YTclone on top of IPFS?

How would that work for the average user?

I don't think users would notice but the IPFS network might collapse.

I think they would if the mobile phone app started uploading a bunch of content and eat into bandwidth and battery. If the app doesn't upload, we still have a centralized system with a very inefficient transport layer.

Besides, even if you work around that problem somehow, YouTube has an insane amount of videos with very few views. That means there are not enough people to upload content, the centralized server or the original uploader needs to keep hosting them.

if it did collapse from a YT clone, IPFS was not set up to handle what we really need it for, firehose science data sources.

Nebula is trying to compete, they seem like a good alternative to support.

Nebula isn't really a competitor. It's more of a life raft for a select few YouTubers. A competitor would let people outside a group of already successful channels upload stuff.

A competitor has got to be a sustainable business first. Opening the floodgates to host everyone's videos can be a very quick way to burn all your money.

Not to mention their moderation burden is way down if they only accept people who are known quantities and are unlikely to get them in trouble by posting copyrighted material or other problematic things.

To be clear: I think it's fine to be exclusive. A bunch of YouTubers got together to make a backup in case YouTube did what YouTube often does. If they ever open it, I'll call it a competitor. Right now, it just isn't unless you have some unconventional definition of competitor. They're trying to survive YouTube, not beat it or even operate in the same space. Nebula is currently a backup for a (large) niche of YouTube.

Do you think Tik Tok is a YouTube competitor? Netflix?

You can compete with YouTube without cloning YouTube.

> A competitor would let people outside a group of already successful channels upload stuff.

Why compete with YouTube on YouTube's terms? You cannot beat on e.g. storage costs. There may be a market niche for a smaller, more cost-efficient platform that pays established creators a bigger fit than YouTube can.

nebula is like one youtube channel being hosted off a server. a more comparable example would be rumble that pretty much has each major feature of youtube on its own.

This is part of his plan to demonstrate the usefulness and need of Grayjay which gives creators a nomadic identity that allows people to easily follow someone on another platform once cancelled from another.

Umm his channel is alive and well. He just published a video a few hours ago.

https://m.youtube.com/@rossmanngroup/videos

they only banned the videos that talk about Grayjay

Almost all other videos about Grayjay have been removed from YouTube too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J990zSpg6JI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hijdzxIHMEI

I saw this on r/android first, it appears Rossman does not have a twitter/x account.

Nitter link: https://nitter.net/FUTO_Tech/status/1719468941582442871

I don't get it: what did he get 3 strikes for ? Which guidelines did he violate ?

Promoting a YouTube alternative on YouTube

Not really an alternative per say, it's more or less an app that will let you subscribe to people instead of youtube.

So it makes it very easy for you to get a feed from your favourite channels even if the youtube algorithm changes, or Youtube have decided that you've made a boo boo and should no longer be visible or promoted as much.

But, it also incorporate many platforms such as Odysee, Rumble, Patreon Twitch, Kick etc. And the creator can verify them selves and could upload the same videos to different platforms and only one would show up in your feed for exaample.

So it is a very neat little app. Rossman is part of Futo, but he's not a developer and doesn't develop anything for the app himself.

you should really check it out, it's nifty.

Sure, it's even worse (To Google) than a Youtube alternative, it gathers all Youtube's competitors in one place.

Yep, He should probably bought Google ads instead to promote now when ad-blockers gets blocked.. :)

Guys. Since YT doing that...why not just pay his GrayJay app and actively promote it. YT clearly wants a Streissand effect. We cannot let down YT expectation!

He is still up and has a video an hour ago.

He was unable to upload videos due to the strikes. Google allows you to expire strikes if you take a short online training on the community guidelines. He recently completed that and was able to start uploading again.

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