I imagine the amount of people upgrading from an M2 Mac will be close to 0, while there's a lot of Intel stragglers out there.
Consider a battery pack? I have a Bluetti K2 and get far more hours running heavy workloads than people report on M1. It's never bothered me carrying it around, though some might care I guess.
My only regret is that it's slightly over the amount that is legal on planes in most jurisdictions.
Gotten so much mileage out of this laptop battery, especially on long distance trains, but it's a no go on planes by being so slightly over the limit.
edit: looks like they are make bigger strides than I thought on M2 as well https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support#m2-p...
Yes, he's continuing to work on the long tail of drivers needed for Linux on Apple silicon. Looks like lately he's working on speakersafetyd, a daemon that will monitor audio levels and keep the builtin speakers from being damaged: https://github.com/marcan?tab=overview&from=2023-09-01&to=20...
For my part I would say that you shouldn't police other people and tell them what to do in public, or if you do it, soften it sightly.
I completely agree that "don't link to my site" is a ridiculous request - I'm not saying that I approve of it. But it's what they want - and the Asahi project has numerous problems with it anyway, so avoiding drawing attention from HN has some benefits to everyone.
My apologies if it sounded like I was policing - that was not my intent.
I reject the notion that I shouldn't link to someone in good faith, regardless of whether they like it.
> I reject the notion that I shouldn't link to someone in good faith, regardless of whether they like it.
In general, I completely agree!
Now I think AMD and Intel caught up enough, Apple didn't keep the momentum, and they do standard Apple pricing discrimination - I think I'll take a gamble on Framework AMD version. I really like the idea behind the self-repairable upgradeable device and want to support them. If I was able to work on my Apple Intel i9 overheating PoS for past few years I'll be better off with anything, might as well support the stuff I like.
Interesting. I don't really like Apple, mainly because of how they handle the app store vendor lock in stuff, and I hate macOS. But I use an M2 MBP purely because I can't find any other laptop that has the same fast performance, long battery life, quiet fan noise, no heat.
Can you recommend an AMD/Intel or anything that comes close? I'd switch in a heartbeat. The closest that comes to mind is the ThinkPad X13s.
Compared to my Macbook Air the Mac excels in a couple of areas which Thinkpad is lacking in. Like ambient light sensor, port quality (ie. how recessed the USB-C port is and how much strain it can take), audio output quality (Macs have powered headphone jacks for high impedance headphones) and of course speaker quality which on Macs is second to none.
The Thinkpad by comparison has poor quality speakers, no ambient light sensor so it doesn't auto adjust the screen or keyboard backlight. Its USB-C ports are also not very strong so the any strain on them or wiggle will cause them to disconnect - they certainly feel very fragile.
I hear the Thinkpad Z13/Z16 is more comparable to a Macbook but again it doesn't have little details like an ambient light sensor which seems an odd omission in a luxury laptop and price wise it's practically the same.
That said, the new AMD Ryzen 7840HS and 7940HS chips are pretty competitive with an equivalent Apple M2:
There's also the 7945HX which is a 16 core CPU, but only comes with big dedicated GPUs, sadly.
Buying their products for the same reason everyone else does is "liking Apple".
"Rowing for the same reason everyone else rows is 'liking slavery'".
Counter-proof by reductio ad absurdum.
If you hate Disney's Frozen because you've seen it so many times, but you watch it with your daughter because she likes Frozen, does that mean you like Frozen because you're doing the same thing that people who like it are doing? No; people's motivation for the same thing can be different. People can do thing they disapprove of, for reasons other than approving of thing.
As far as the market is concerned, if prisoners like rotting food more than starving then they "like (and approve of) rotting food" in general. People understand more than just pricing signals and can see the problems with that reasoning. At least, I can. In a similar way that the playground challenge "would you rather (horrible-thing A) or (horrible-thing B)?" is hilarious because whichever you pick, it means you actually like horrible-thing, haha ha! This reasoning is "the market is a good judge of character and if it has judged you, then you must have that character". Another option is "the market works on very few signals, most of them monetary, and that makes it a poor judge of character and motivation and other higher human concepts".
Another comparison is the web adverts which reason "if you bought a lawnmower then you will want to see adverts for lawnmowers because we have strong evidence that you are interested in lawnmowers" - as we warn about markets, past performance is no guarantee of future interest in lawnmowers. It could mean you are a lawnmower enthusiast, but it could mean you are disinterested in mowers and but have a lawn and an obligation to mow it, it could mean you choose whichever is in stock at the closest store which is no vote about the product and only a vote about your local store's stock levels. It doesn't mean that if you bought a lawnmower instead of a private jet that's because you like FloorGoo lawnmower F6240h PowerMow+ with leaf-eviscerator extension more, only that you can't afford a private jet. It could mean you ran over your neighbour's lawnmower with your truck and are buying a replacement of whatever model they had. It could mean your kid wants to earn money by mowing lawns over summer and you wanted to support them by funding the mower, or that you got a job at a lawn care firm and need to buy the tools they use for yourself, it could mean you took advice on which mower to buy from a friend and don't have any personal knowledge of mowers, or that a shop had a sale, or that a shop had an attractive smooth talking lawnmower salesperson, or that you had a breakdown and need to finish mowing before the rain due at the end of the day and had no time to do any research or like/dislike anything, or that you are supporting a mow-for-charity drive for a group going to mow churchyards and you are just buying within the budget that the volunteers donated, or that you aren't technical and misunderstood that you need an Apple lawnmower for your bank app because they advertised and told you that you did because companies employ highly skilled professional manipulators working full time to frame and distort the truth and your access to information in their favour...
You might also argue that if I want a silent laptop with long battery life that is a "proper *nix" and not a limited WinRT/ChromeOS/Android then I don't have a choice and am therefore not exercising a proper informed choice so the signal from it is misleading.
I think I'll get an Framework 16 or 13 with AMD in a few months, will make sure Linux drivers are in order before ordering.
I use the Framework laptop for work because I need to use Linux.
The Framework laptop is mediocre just like pretty much all PC laptops. The hinges are awful, if you pick up the laptop upright, about 50% of the time the screen falls flat 180 degrees.
The trackpad is arse in Linux.
If you're lucky you can probably get 5 hours battery life, but on a realistic workload you're looking at 2-3 hours.
The keyboard is pretty nice, but I wish ctrl/fn is swapped like Apple and it has the inverted mini-T keyboard arrows (or at least I wish someone would make a swappable keyboard for the Framework).
The speakers are bloody awful.
Display/Webcam/Mic are fine.
I would like more ports over modular ports, but I appreciate the design that went into the modular ports.
Speaking of modular ports, sometimes they abruptly stop working and require removing and reseating.
All these small nits really add up and it just feels like a mediocre experience. It is my work laptop, but I try my best to avoid using it over my PC with WSL2 or either Air laptop, but I try my best not to mix work and personal.
Both the 13" M1 Air and 15" M2 Air are just amazing compared to the Framework, and I suspect PC laptops in general. They have their drawbacks, price (gouging in some ways), less ports, can't drive dual displays, but their trackpad, finish, speakers, etc. are just amazing. I personally prefer MacOS to Linux for a desktop experience as well.
I want a portable workstation that I can occasionally use as a laptop, so build quality and laptop stuff isn't that big of a deal to me. I'm always using a screen via USBC + dedicated keyboard and mouse. Performance and noise are a factor - I'm hoping that AMD versions deliver on that.
I'm leaning towards framework because if my current MBP dies I can't do anything about it since it's been out of warenty for years. And upgrading it eventually with next gen CPU without having to change storage/RAM, etc. sounds nice.
I'm very happy with my Ryzen 7 6800U.
Matte screen? Check.
Lots of full perf cores? Check.
USB A and C? Check.
Really good battery even though I'm plugged in all the time? Check.
X86-64? Check.
And for me as a Samsung phone user, I'm pretty annoyed that I have to drag out a win10 machine every time I want to update the firmware of my phone because Odin is only available on Windows and UTM can't use Rosetta to emulate a Windows VM at any acceptable speed or stability.
The docker thing is nonsense if you're using orbstack for example.
The guest drivers don't work under Win7.
By the time the M2 came around ppl knew what was up. So you might be able to find a bog standard M1 that low (they do show up) due to this… but it’s rare.
M1->M2 wasn't that big, generally seen as a small incremental improvement at best, and the last few Intel updates barely moved the needle between them.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/apps-on-arm-x8...
Apple Silicon laptops are so much better than Intel-based machines, there is really no comparison.
(Just curious; I worked in the industry on the web app side)
Also you can get other free vm managers on Macs now since it ships with a hypervisor and vm framework.
I'm not sure how VMWare compares to Parallels but performance isn't as good as Bootcamp. I wouldn't want to use it all day long.
For the rare times I need it, I sometimes use a cloud VM (like Shadow.tech if you need a good GPU, otherwise any Windows VM I guess).
Also, for any GPU-intensive apps (not sure if CNC counts), it might be worth giving Game Porting Toolkit (the other GPT) and Whisky (a GUI on top of that) a shot? Might run better than Parallels.
I usually get like 20% or less... sometimes they're hard to even give away.
It's very hard to get anything like that much off a Mac, since Apple appears to have pretty tight control over prices, even as charged by third parties.
Before buying any Apple hardware, it's worth looking up a couple of sites that suggest when the next release cycle will be for a given item and what specs are expected in the next release. The one I use is https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
After years of waiting for a non-butterfly keyboard, they released a working Intel based MBP, but almost immediately made it worthless by announcing the migration to Arm. They even "rented" prototypes using A12Z chips for developers to use to prepare their apps nearly a year in advance. Hardly a stealth endeavour.