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And yet _still_ 8GB of RAM as the baseline. It's probably as profitable as it is evil / misleading.

8gb is pretty bad. I have an M2 Pro with 16gb, & that limit is regularly pushed, & that without regularly pushing things hard, resource-wise (then again, I've seen plenty of people on both PCs & Macs shut down whatever applications they weren't actively using when they switched between them. If testing shows that to be really common, I could see 8gb being plenty for the majority of users. Crazy user patterns, to be sure, but to each their own). If I get an M3, it will have 36 (or whatever Minis will have available) just for the headroom.

Calling it evil is a bit of a stretch.

I'll admit "evil" is a stretch but I was thinking in terms of the amount of e-waste this causes due to insufficient RAM hurting the longevity of a $~2k+ computer

e.g. https://www.globaldata.com/data-insights/technology-media-an...

Hyperbole like this is necessary for people to justify the extreme negative emotions they feel about a computer they’ll never buy having specifications that they disapprove of.

Is it? Its pretty evil to overcharge and prey on a customer base who doesn't know any better, but would benefit from a more usable starting point, oh say 16...

Tims a finance guy, they are kinda evil by default.

Yeah, Apple customers tend to also just "trust Apple" and get whatever the recommended product is for their price point. Half the reason I find this troubling is ewaste, the other half is I'm sick of having to try to explain RAM to my MIL and ask how many tabs they keep open when asked which computer she should buy. If they had a better baseline memory (16gb) or a simple inexpensive upgrade that's the second option in the lineup instead of the higher storage cost, it'd be a simple, one-sentence "get that one".

Even having to upgrade the RAM is a hassle when price comparing etc. They know this and it's - by design - misleading to the type of affluent less-tech-friendly users who prefer Apple products.

No one should have to care how many tabs they have open, and since browsers kill/suspend background tabs these days, they probably don't have to care about it either.

Except all of the browsers are shit at it. I know someone with so many tabs open it just shows a :)

America is truly a blessed nation. Their richest evil people simply make the most powerful consumer appliances available for a reasonable price. Their good people must be truly saints.

Who? As far as I can tell every American is a psychopathic capitalist murder ready to drive their SUV over the next sand dune/forest/oil field/grandmas house you name it. Bought and sold in 1775 boy.

It's a matter of perspective of course. I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil. Aren't the vast majority corporations just trying to make more money? I would disagree with that.

> I think if you claim that this makes Apple evil then you would also need to argue that most of capitalism is evil.

I mean, surely a mixed bag, and I still participate in it regardless, but pretty much, yeah.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mining-children-trfn/...

https://www.culawreview.org/journal/child-labor-and-the-huma...

Exactly :)

Im just some punk trying to have a good time with some spicy comments on HN. It's ok to both hate and exist within capitalism. It requires a certain level of pain (masochism) to survive that existence, or dare to enjoy it, while also raging against it.

apple silicone doesn't need ram /half the people on HN

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