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Indians Are Entering the U.S. Illegally in Record Numbers

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I think the same thing happens to Chinese, too. Many people are entering from the boarder. US has a huge issue in the border control on the south side.

https://archive.ph/N0MBX

I would definitely take it with a grain of salt. The ruling party in Punjab is from AAP. The author seems to have written article without complete facts in hand.

And before that it was Congress. Bjp (modi's party) has not been in power in punjab since 2017, when it was the minor partner in a coalition govt with shiromani akali dal.

(Increased influx === Modi is bad) is just plain untrue because the state of Punjab's police was never under Modi. In fact, separatist supported government has been in power in the most recent elections. Maybe US and Canada should investigate if this separatist movement solely exists so that people can enter the US and Canada. In 1984, there were massive riots and many sikhs got to immigrate to the west. It was followed by demands of a Sikh state. Now, we are not sure this movement even exists in India. India is not Europe where an independent land locked state can exist with limited resources and Pakistan as its western neighbor. This is just a Schrodinger Cat experiment where immigration policies of the west actually make the movement exist. Also, this reads like a full propaganda piece which even promotes a Shah Rukh khan movie. Maybe not worthy of an HN first page post.

Yes, one needs some or another political persecution to get asylum. In UK, lawyers coach applicants to get asylum [1]

“Some pro-Khalistan political parties in India charged one to two lakh rupees--$2500 USD--for giving ‘letter’ to youth, who use it for seeking political asylum in Canada after falsely claiming that they were party cadres and being persecuted in India on religious grounds" [2]

[1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigratio...

[2] https://www.livemint.com/news/world/prokhalistan-elements-in...

At what point does an open border sorta make the government illegitimate? The state is just ignoring its own laws on this issue for one reason or another.

Probably never. The US government has a lot of laws, ignores a lot of things.

The issue is more that it is impossible to have an open border combined with any sort of welfare state. And there is a question about political compatibility - at some point there is a difference between individual migration and an invasion. But realistically, the US had the debate on this decades ago and has decided that insofar as there is a national culture it doesn't consider it threatened by migrants with foreign views. It is a bit late to get worried about it now for obvious reasons.

Do you really think the government doesnt know about this ? That too the country known as "Big Brother" ? Americans want people who can work below minimum wage so they get to work the illegally migrated for low paying jobs like delivering food, getting their houses cleaned, gardening, construction work.

The governemnt gets to play both sides by making labour cheap and also campaigning "Build the Wall".

RICH people who control both parties want lower wages for Americans. And Democrats will never allow border protection because the illegal immigrants they gleefully import become Democrat voters.

If any working/middle class people complain, the people who control the culture and media will ensure they get smeared as racists.

How do illegal immigrants become voters?

1. By having children that end up voting for the party advocating welfare/free healthcare for illegal immigrants, citizenship for illegal immigrants, open borders...

2. By living in states like California that did that Machiavellian 1-2 combo of allowing illegal immigrants to get drivers licenses, then made it so that people with a driver's license are automatically registered to vote.

They automatically register elegible voters, not everyone that obtains a driver's license.

How do they know which voters are eligible and which aren't?

Hurfa durfa.

Your terms of surrender regarding this argument have been accepted.

You call Papa Smurfa?!

Go ahead and produce evidence that votes were cast by ineligible people in California.

Even better if it's a significant enough number to indicate a systemic problem with the registration system.

If they aren't voters that is something that is a problem that needs to be fixed. Illegal migrants make up something like 3% of the US population. It isn't fair for 3% of the resident population to be denied a right to vote; it'll become a serious social issue.

How would you like it if I break into your house and start living with you against your will, and then boss you around deciding what we eat for dinner, how our budget (your salary) should be spent, and so on?

If I'm not going to kick you out, you would get a say in dinner, the budget and so on. What alternative can you see? You're in the house. We live together. Best to get along.

Either the US goes genocidal and purge 3% of their population or they all get along. Getting along seems like the good option to me!

Illegitimate? What does that mean?

In the 80s when the Iron Curtain was up, we drove freely between some European countries, but certainly not East Germany.

Which of those governments was more "legitimate"?

You couldn't live in those other countries or overstay your visa though. I mean you could, but it would've been illegal. In Morocco it was a common thing to do, overstay European visas. They were still marked as illegal, and ID checks were common, and deportation very much so too. You almost always would've gotten deported if caught in an ID check. So I'm not sure how that could be considered to be open borders.

It's illegal to overstay a visa in the US, too, though, is it not?

> After the second time Arshdeep Singh, a supporter of a Sikh political party in Punjab, was threatened by men he believed were affiliated with India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, his father made arrangements for him to leave the country.

This makes zero sense. It has either been spun by the WSJ or the individual in question.

The BJP has almost no political clout in Punjab. It currently holds only 2 seats out of 117 in the legislative assembly. When it was in government, it was as a minor partner in an alliance with the SAD, an unambiguously Sikh party.

The idea that thugs affiliated with the BJP are threatening people in Punjab and making them flee the country is patently absurd.

I remember when this was a conspiracy theory and there was no crisis at the border.

Covid did not come from a lab either. Mother nature did it all!

It might seem like all Indians are trying to get into US by hook or crook.

But to be honest its just from 3 specific states out of the 28. Pareto blah blah. I wont name the states.

The people who do have confidence in migrating illegaly successfully have a very very strong community over there who can help them out with basic needs like food and shelter and can get them blue collar jobs.

In some areas, illegal immigrants are allowed govt welfare. Starve in your home country, or endure a miserable and dangerous Journey for security? That is what brought the original European settlers over...

Trust me the ones truly starving in our country do not have the enormous initial capital to pay the mule for crossing the border illegaly. Its NOT cheap for someone in India to illegaly migrate to a country soo far away. Maybe to a neighbouring country but definetly not to somewhere like USA, Canada, country in Europe.

> I wont name the states.

Punjab, Andhra and Telangana?

This is utter tripe, it is well known that Khalistani nationalists (separatists in India) and illegal immigrants use fake cases of persecution in India and even have letters written by anti-Modi MPs to go abroad to show they are being persecuted as an excuse to get asylum in other countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYsQsGgcH8

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigratio...

If I lived in Modi’s India I’d flee , too.

It's interesting that despite the distain for Modi among US libs, he's by fair the most popular democratically elected leader.

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/politics/story/pm-modi-m...

Bukele is more popular in some polls. Also not super popular on MSNBC.

Why is that interesting?

Because he’s not popular at Harvard or the NYT.

Interesting is a pretty generic attribute. Can you fill out any point you are making further?

Populist ideologes often are popular, for the subset of people that stand to benefit from their heavy handed policies. I’m not sure the Muslims that died under his blind eye or their families would vote for him.

Modi is popular much in the same way the Taliban is popular and seen as having brought stability to Afghanistan as since they have been in power the violence and bombings etc have stopped. The only problem is it was the Taliban doing all the violence. Go figure.

democracy for me but not for thee

Actually the opposite. When the mob elects a leader and that leader goes on to harm you and your people your only recourse is to leave or stay and fight. Given how far gone India is politically and how short lifetimes are if I were an Indian and could leave I would - change won’t come fast enough in India for me to benefit from it. Maybe my kid’s kids could. But lucky me I was born in the US so I got that blue passport. I still feel for my Indian friends though.

Also hilarious to hear the argument: “oh democratically elected so” that excuses everything they did or do because calling it out is to attack democracy. When that’s a false premise.

> "mob elects a leader"

That's just democracy. The mob and democracy are referring to same thing with different attitudes.

> "Populist ideologes often are popular, for the subset of people that stand to benefit from their heavy handed policies."

I think you may be suffering from a condition often found at ivy league schools and the NYT where Aristotle's forms of government are scrambled in favor of liberal oligarchy by calling:

Monarchy -> Dictatorship

Oligarchy -> Democracy

Democracy -> Populism

"Actually the opposite. When the mob elects a leader and that leader goes on to harm you and your people your only recourse is to leave or stay and fight." How would you apply this to Palestine electing Hamas?

Meanwhile Indias economy had surpassed the UK and on track to be third largest with pew research showing minorities are happy there.

I wonder what industries these guys crossing are going to go into. I have a feeling its going to be tech. Get ready for software companies paying cash to people under the table to do their work like construction companies.

https://archive.ph/Q0L5n

What’s the NPV of a human being ?

If the US could get a human in 25 years vs now how much should we pay for that kind of growth ?

I find it ironic to see (what I think is) the Trump wall in the background. The entire argument for building it was to prevent such crossings. It looks massive.

But her emails!

What makes you think it is the Trump wall? Various incarnations of border wall have existed for a hundred years [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_b...

It's easy to wade through the shallow water at Eagle Pass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQY0jaVLNM

US Border Partol will also cut down the concertina wire put down by Texas to make it easier for illegals to come in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeiba3EJq4

Then there is the matter of the doors in the border wall being welded open by US Border Patrol. https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-respo...

If you can't find that one you can use this one instead which is big enough for semi trucks to drive through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lKm0ws_iPg

There are several more crossings I know of where illegals can walk around the end of the existing wall and line up to be apprehended then released to NGOs. They line up and wait in a line to be taken by US Border Patrol buses. Its not just 1 or 2 places. There are MANY such breaks in the fence where US Border Patrol collects illegals and releases them to the US after capturing some biometric information.

https://odysee.com/@InconvenientTruths:c/we've-arrived-in-th...

https://odysee.com/@Daveincali:d/migrants-crossing-illegally...

We are in the middle of a active full scale invasion by military age males yet all people seem to care about are wars oceans away.

If agents are prevented from capturing illegal entrants and the current administration invests $0 in upkeep of the border wall then this seems inevitable.

After the newer border wall was built, it reduced crossings in those areas by >70%.

Of course, when the current policy amounts to 'we won't stop you when you come in', it not only doesn't deter crossings but it encourages them.

It's ironic, because it reflects the shifting landscape of Democrat policy, who's members repeatedly voted for a border wall and border security measures (Biden voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act and has previously stated employers who employ illegals should be jailed).

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