Killing Windows 10 in 2025 could turn PCs into eWaste
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Or my perfectly good MacBook Pro that's three years out of a supported Apple OS but can still run up to date Windows or Linux?
All because Apple was too lazy to maintain a few hardware drivers.
The more it happens when I see an "unpopular Apple Criticism" here, almost makes me think that they have an equivalent of the 50 cent army.
Its a little too questionable here. Then again, it's VC's who have the logs where those IP's down downvotes are coming from.
I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out why the tech industry and the hacker community especially can be so enamored of an anti-hacker company like Apple that it becomes part of their identity, leading to hyper defensiveness and the downvoting/killing we see. I don't feel like I understand it yet so I'd be fascinated to hear theories.
Steve Jobs' reality distortion field lives on from the grave.
Also, when it’s broken, I can take it into a store and it’s fixed in hours. I’m a parent and old so I value my time more than anything. Linux doesn’t allow me to do what I want while also being stupid easy to fix, which would be fine for young me, but not today.
You value something else other than your time, so you prefer Linux because whatever you value isn’t available in Apple products. It’s not hard to understand: people like different things.
But ya, the thread’s specifically about Apple’s product announcement attract a lot of traffic but are still selecting for their reader’s biases. I guess many Apple haters are unique in that they are extremely interested in participating in Apple-focused posts, rather than just ignoring them. I personally will downvote the “I hate the X (eg iPhone) so you shouldn’t be able to buy X” comments, which I find really bizarre.
The bizarre part is why do you want to see people as worse than they actually are? Doesn't make sense. Nobody on HN is saying you shouldn't be allowed to buy an iPhone, you telling yourself that is their argument isn't helping you, you would be much happier if you understood them better.
And I also agree, it is interesting how many Apple haters will read Apple articles. I think the reason for that is that Apple is such a powerful defining force for the tech world. What Apple does has heavy ramifications for everyone, not just Apple fans. For example, removing the headphone jack, charging 30% for the app store, creating the AirPods, establishing a market for smart watches, and now potentially establishing a market for VR headsets, particularly on the high end and with normal people i.e. non-gamers (I say that with love as I am a gamer).
Prior to Windows 11, they would at least try to run Windows on basically any device that wanted to. I have been using Windows since 3.1 and the only thing that ever held a computer back was the architecture move from 16 bit to 32 bit. My 286 couldn’t run Windows 95, but it was already painfully underpowered at the time.
In contrast, I have a pretty powerful 8-core Ryzen desktop with 64gb of RAM, well beyond the capabilities of any cheap Windows 11 computer from a big box, and yet Windows 11 just blanket tells me it’s not supported… for reasons. Could I hack it to get it to run? Yes. There’s no legitimate reason I should have to though.
I don’t know why they would do this other than being bribed.
Then you don't know about Palladium, a/k/a the Next Generation Secure Computing Base, which Microsoft started developing in 1997. It's explicit goal was digital restrictions management. They co-founded the TCPA in 1999 to develop the TPM hardware spec.
[1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/office/troubleshoot/activa...
That means that Office 365 will have to get the boot.
As an 'oldie', I can remember when every office computer had to have .doc capability. I haven't seen a .doc file (including .docx) for years. Everybody uses .pdf these days. Why? Simply because there's no bullshit about reading or writing .pdf files.
I wouldn't rule that out, but I do think there are other reasons too. Like the bulk of corporate decisions, it's probably justified by something like, "the security of our users is important and without a TPM we can't guarantee integrity of the OS <blah> <blah>". The fact that it also nets a whole lot of hardware sales (which flow directly to MS in the form of Windows licenses, and some first party hardware sales) is of course also a business factor in the decision, but that's not one they would publically acknowledge and they would probably avoid saying it among themselves too because that's the current business fashion of the day.
So I think a more fair sum would be: "There are some real 'benefits' to users to have a TPM, and that's a convenient vehicle for enforcing a policy that generates additional revenue"
Is the Win11 user experience any better yet? Can I clear all junk from the taskbar and start menu without Explorer patching tools?
I skipped Win8 entirely, going from 7 to 10, and was hoping 11 would be another ‘skippable bad release’ followed by a more appealing Win12
No. The wife accidentally clicked on some dark pattern that updated her laptop to 11. It lasted just over a day before she got me to roll it back to 10. Horrific.
If you're asking me, the last sane version of Windows was 7. It's all downhill after it.
sileh sigh
OTOH who knows, maybe they just want to be able to say BYOD will always be able to comply with your corporate requirements for bitlocker or something
>But let’s be honest, while some users will certainly see Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, or Debian as a viable alternative (or upgrade) to Windows, most personal and business users aren’t going to go that route.
Yeah, you and me could save one of these machines from being e-waste, but most people won't bother. The headline is a bit questionable, but that's more common than not. I had a similar initial reaction to you (minus the Apple Silicon bit, I have high hopes for Asahi), but upon seeing the website url I was pretty sure they'd mention GNU/Linux somewhere in there.
I used to be a pure Linux desktop user, for two decades, recently I had to use windows and macos for a few months combined.
In the end, 95% of the time was spent inside a browser, the OS seems non-exist to me for the most part, I now consider myself OS neutral though still prefer Linux when I can choose. Welcome to the cloud era.
Roblox for the kids, and a bunch of hardware my wife uses don’t have Linux software available either.
What is true for you and me is not always true for others.
What's a good easy-to-use alternative for that in the Linux world?
Ideally it would also allow me to share between my Windows and Linux machines to make transitioning easier.
I tend to prefer syncthing over a cloud app but I have used the nextcloud accound that I got when I installed /e/OS rom on my smartphone in the past.
The good zero days are found by or sold to governments or elite independent hacking groups working on an international level. They tend to be more interested in targeted attacks against specific individuals or organizations.
Once a zero day is leaked to the public, typically it is quickly adopted by botnet operators to take advantage of un-patched systems.
Once a zero day is leaked online, it becomes the most powerful weapon to getting into a given system. Even when Microsoft races to put out a patch, millions of systems can be compromised first. It has happened before so it's not so hypothetical.
https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/14/microsoft-zero-day-windows...
But you have no guarantee from Microsoft that they'll continue to do so like you do with something still in lifecycle.
Now the focus is on efficiency and power consumption. As a result, any computer made in the last 10-12 years will be perfectly suitable for what 90% of people use their computers for. The 8th generation Intel cutoff for Windows 11 is ridiculous and is causing this problem.
Yes, Windows 11 works fine on older hardware if you force it to install but most people will not go this route. They’ll continue to use their insecure PC on the internet because it runs very well and does everything they need it to do, and we’ll have a nightmare on our hands.
The landscape is totally different from XP to 7 and from 7 to 10. Microsoft knows that and these pointless hardware reqs are a transparent attempt to force people to upgrade for no reason. The desktop and laptop market has fully stalled, and there is no compelling reason to upgrade your computer if you aren’t using it for gaming or processor/GPU intensive work. This is their attempt to boost sales without innovating, and it’s going to be devastating.
Sure, there are ways people can technically bypass those restrictions but the normal PC user won't be able to do that. They'll just keep using Win10 without security updates.
Seems I'm wrong again.
Seriously, if lots of people find their perfectly useful Microsoft devices aren't usable, the next time they buy something they'll make sure it's not a Microsoft device.
In the car business, they'd call that 'Buying a Lemon'. That reminds me, I must see if I can sell my Pinto.
No, there really isn't a way for regular users to get an official license. So if that is a problem for you, then it's not an option. For the rest of us it's a great option and will allow you to use your current computers and receive windows security updates for another 10years.
I would also probably need a separate ISO for Windows 10 LTSC IOT. I think I would check archive.org for something like that. ;)
What kind of bullshit is this?
Just install FreeBSD/Linux/Illumos there and everything works.
adobe products is just bad decision making /s
citation needed.
Ps: I have stocks of hw companies