Tesla owner who drove with 'arms folded' cleared of dangerous driving
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> Judge Hughes asked if he accepted it would be better to have two hands on the wheel to take control of the vehicle, and he answered: “Probably yes”.
If these were candid responses, rather than coached with lawyer, sounds like a real engineer.
And the interaction with the judge sounds civilized and good faith, in both directions.
(Not that I approve of Tesla's autonomous driving tech when other people's lives are at risk, nor with having hands off wheel even if somehow monitoring diligently; just commenting on this judicial interaction.)
We locked eyes and you could tell they were embarrassed but I highly doubt they stopped. It looked like actual tech/screen addiction to me. I think they were just worried I was a cop, but when they saw just a normal car they went right back to it.
In some ways we can't blame Tesla for this kind of thing. But it's hard to believe they're doing anything to discourage or mitigate antisocial behaviors.
At the very least Tesla should have a "merge right when appropriate" priority in their Autopilot offering. It seems drivers all over the Bay area have forgotten this basic traffic-mitigating rule too. Many transplants seem oblivious why people passing on the right are so much more aggressive than those passing on the left.
You expect this from a company that writes software that will intentionally roll through stop signs?!? Or that lets you set parameters on how much to exceed the speed limit by?
This wasn't true ten years ago.
To be blunt, "sucks to be them". They want to make billions from the technology, there's going to be some tough problems along the way. That doesn't make it incumbent on anyone else to allow, excuse, or otherwise give them a pass.
How far would you go here, balancing this added feature to the benefit of making FSD release sooner and lowering traffic accidents? What's your exchange rate in time - there are ~100 fatalities nationally per day - would delaying FSD by 10 days to fix this annoying behavior be worth the delay? What if the delay was longer? How long would you wait? Or what if the delay were unknown - would you assert you are sure it's short, and ram it through? What if you were wrong, that including this behavior caused a long delay in FSD - would you feel bad then?
Or are you certain that they're just being obtuse by not including it? Or do you have another theory for why Tesla isn't including bundling this specific software behavior along with their efforts to create superhuman safety FSD?
if (isSafeToMergeRight and not rightLaneTrafficPaceAddsTimeToEstimate):
mergeRight()
So complicated... the hard part is the first test but that's expected to be part of FSD already. And the second test is a simple state estimation procedure on top of the relatively harder detect-cars function, which also should be part of FSD already. So I'm not sure what you think this suggestion adds in complexity.Would you delay solving this problem in favor of improving the annoying way people drive on the left in California? I hate it too but if we can get FSD soon, it'd save a lot of people's lives.
Source: I have a model Y and regularly use FSD on roads in CA with stop signs and observe it coming to a full stop.
Of course, it could also have been one of the cases where the car just navigated poorly and thinks it needs to be in the left lane for some reason. The vehicle's lane selection is not great, IMO.
Elon Musk claims the same but there is a "terms and conditions apply" and they don't agree to assume responsibility.
> There must be a vehicle in front of your car, reasonable road conditions with readable markings and lines, and clear weather and light conditions. Drive Pilot can’t be used at night or in the rain, and the headlights and wipers must be set to auto for it to work.
> It’s also only available on freeways that have been mapped by Mercedes, with GPS positioning that is precise to the centimeter and even accounts for continental drift. Drive Pilot can’t be used in construction zones.
Mercedes is actually being cautious about slowly rolling things out, not just yeeting it over the fence like Tesla.
Little things like:
> Mercedes shows us an EQS with an important visual indicator that is not yet legal: in the hopefully very near future, when Drive Pilot is active, the headlights, taillights, and side mirrors will have turquoise marking lights so other drivers know the Level 3 system is in use.
and
> Drive Pilot also has redundant braking and steering actuators and a separate onboard electrical system just in case one of them fails.
are good things.
And it drives better than Autopilot, despite being "glorified cruise control":
> It does feel more precise and accurate in how the car stays in its lane and reacts to surrounding traffic, with fewer jerky movements and constant tiny adjustments. Drive Pilot even reacts to larger trucks or motorcycles that are lane splitting by moving slightly over in the lane without crossing the lines, and not only does it work in carpool lanes but also it can tell the difference between the carpool and FasTrak lanes and will let the driver decide which to use.
This doesn't sound like Tesla at all:
> and there’s not a single moment where Drive Pilot makes a mistake or reacts badly to a situation, even when surrounded by nightmarish LA drivers.
Some of us applaud these kind of things.
Remember the whole phantom braking thing a while back? And then it disappeared with an update, but another phantom braking problem arose, so then they reverted that update, and then released another update that fixed those two problems...
A safety culture where a component manufacturer had firmware that took around 36 hours to work through the full test suite... released a new firmware to Tesla in response to issues. Got an email from Tesla 3 or 4 hours later saying "Thanks, this is working so much better", and when they responded with confusion about the test suite, etc., "Oh, we just flashed it onto one of our cars here and took it out on the road and tried".
They are the only ones using the consequences of general principles of product liability as a selling point, might be more accurate.
I'm worried about a time when the _statistical_ safety of AI driving is better than humans across the board, but there are horrifying correlations between AI induced accidents, like "Children on tricycles are not well recognized" or "slight fog in Seattle induces 150 car pileup". Or, AI causes worse accidents less frequently than humans. Whereas humans have lots more fender benders and minor injuries to older adults.
Not saying this is true, but it's a scenario I think about a lot.
Continuing your example just for exposition / hypothetical, if those are 100 individual deaths with varying causes, vs 99 children run over by AI b/c they were walking in a line holding hands and were interpreted as road markers, well that's not _better_ is it?
This is purely hypothetical, but statistics gloss over those human details.
To me, more sensors means faster implementation. Quicker to get on roads. Less total deaths. At least in theory, and in what successes i'm seeing.
If it get's cheap enough it will be.
But the AI isn't human and things a human would recognize, like a a large grey truck up ahead doing a turn on an overcast day an AI can just miss.
> if you say we can't have automation until its 100% perfect,
That's why we need the lidar.
99.99% of daytime highway dashcam frames don't include a firetruck stopped in the lane, dealing with an accident.
But let's say, hypothetically, that a self-driving car accelerated into a clearly visible, stationary firetruck in clear daylight. Despite being 99.99% perfect.
Legislators might feel in order to be an above-average driver the vehicle shouldn't hit any clearly visible stationary objects in clear daylight, because the median human driver doesn't do that.
edit: link to the article about it https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7015229/Elon-Musk-r...
After all, in the the "two girls one cup" video the girls eat chocolate ice cream. There was a camera cut between filling the cone (with something that is not ice cream) and the girls eating from the cone. It's clear that in the cut when the girls are eating from the cone, the brown runny soft soft substance is chocolate ice cream. Your imagination fills in that it was the "not ice cream" from the first shot.
Edit: You must have added the link while I wrote the above comment.
Somewhere on the internet, someone is now fact checking this claim.
I really hope the question was meant to be funny.
I didn't realize that Ford was ahead of Tesla in that department!
My Tesla Model Y 2023 in the Netherlands complains a lot if I take my hands off the steering wheel. Heck, it even complains sometimes when my hands are in the steering wheel!
However, I rented a Model 3 in California through Hertz past month and it was much more lenient. I imagine I had to take my hands off for a period of time at least 5 times longer for it to start bothering, and didn't bother at all when I was driving with my hands steadily placed on the steering wheel.
In my opinion the one in California made long drives a bit safer as you don't have the pressure of putting the right pressure (pun intended) as much.