If they wanted to deal with this case, they had the .su domain of the Soviet Union, which still exists.
If they wanted to deal with this case, they had the .su domain of the Soviet Union, which still exists.
While the article is wrong about the amount of time, it is correct that .yu outlived Yugoslavia by several years; the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was replaced in 2003 with the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro, which itself was dissolved in 2006; the .yu domain was eliminated in 2010.
> If they wanted to deal with this case, they had the .su domain of the Soviet Union, which still exists.
The situation with the .su domain is discussed at length in the article and its continued existence and use is contrasted with the treatment of .yu.
A country that claimed that name existed. It wasn't widely recognised as being the successor state of the country of that name and was not considered entitled to its domain name.
Just because you claim your country has a certain name doesn't mean it does, if the rest of the international community doesn't recognise it.
> There's a country called Yugoslavia consisting of parts of another previous Yugoslavia, and they're supposed to cancel the .yu domain and issue it a new domain called .foo?
If the country calling itself Yugoslavia was recognised as the sucessor state of the prior country called Yugoslavia, then it would inherit the .yu domain. If that succession is not recognised, then it doesn't get to keep that domain and needs a new one (and even if the name is similar or the same, since it's a different country it can't have the domain which belonged to the old country). Seems reasonable to me.
"The following 32 teams, shown with final pre-tournament rankings,[11] qualified for the final tournament."
" ... Romania (22) Scotland (41) Spain (15) FR Yugoslavia (8) "
So obviously "international community" is a very vague term. If we were talking about anything material, like who owns an embassy building in e.g. London I'd see your point, but insisting that Yugoslavia not use a .yu domain because it was assigned to another Yugoslavia that received the name three years before it dissolved sounds like not solving problems but having an axe to grind.
Even on that very line you've got another entity that's not an ISO country and does not have its own ccTLD, so clearly having a FIFA World Cup team is not quite the same thing as being a sovereign state.
> So obviously "international community" is a very vague term.
International recognition for a country is a spectrum rather than a binary, sure.
> If we were talking about anything material, like who owns an embassy building in e.g. London I'd see your point, but insisting that Yugoslavia not use a .yu domain because it was assigned to another Yugoslavia that received the name three years before it dissolved sounds like not solving problems but having an axe to grind.
A top-level domain is valuable and culturally important in the same way as an embassy building. If you want to argue that states that refused to recognise "FR Yugoslavia" as the successor state of Yugoslavia and allow it to hold the UN seat, government property, etc. were petty and vindictive - well, maybe they were, politics is often petty and vindictive (although I would note that what was finally agreed in 2004 was that Yugoslavia had divided into five equal successors, none of which had a special claim on its embassy buildings, domain names or anything else).
Deferring to the politically recognised succession seems like the best way to insulate administration of the Internet from dealing with those disputes directly. Maintaining a separate/parallel system for listing countries and their names/abbreviations, as FIFA does, does not seem like it would be a productive use of the internet community's resources, nor would it be likely to make the disputes that would inevitably arise any less petty or vindictive.
A top-level domain might be of cultural importance, but it's a big stretch this was the case for Yugoslavia in 1992 when the internet barely existed and the .yu domain existed for three years (according to the article). So in reality it's a nothing burger, unless you have an axe to grind.
Given that it was embroiled in a dispute over the succession of Yugoslavia for the entire time that it was calling itself "FR Yugoslavia", and that dispute was resolved shortly after the country changed its name, no, it's not at all obvious that it was accepted.
> The question of it being a succession state is not really relevant for the name.
The question of it being a successor state is what's relevant for the domain name though. Just because you have the same name as a previous state doesn't mean you're entitled to that previous state's domain name, just like with the UN seat.
> it's a big stretch this was the case for Yugoslavia in 1992 when the internet barely existed and the .yu domain existed for three years (according to the article).
Who inherits the petty cash tin in the embassy in London is obviously a much smaller question than who inherits the building. But it still all has to be negotiated.
> So in reality it's a nothing burger, unless you have an axe to grind.
That goes both ways though - if "FR Yugoslavia"'s position is that it's a nothingburger then they can't complain about having to switch to a different domain name - and if they wanted to keep using the domain name they had been and it would be a pain to migrate, well, so did the people in Ljubljana. Ideally they would've come to a negotiated agreement to either continue to share the domain, or make a smooth transition - but like with anything else, if you can't reach an agreement on how to split it then you don't get to just take it.
Yugoslavia did not complain about having to switch to a different name - they just continued using it. From Wikipedia:
".yu was the Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) that was assigned to SFR Yugoslavia in 1989 and was mainly used by Serbia and Montenegro and its two successor states. After Montenegro and Serbia acquired separate .me and .rs domains in 2007, a transition period started, and the .yu domain finally expired in 2010.[1]"
You can make a case it's somehow really culturally important, but nobody will buy that as it was mostly irrelevant then, thus it's only relevant if you have an axe to grind.
From my point of view, people in Ljubljana had every right to continue using the .yu domain if they wanted to, and they could've maybe made a deal to manage the domain together. But it seems to me this collides with the desire to be independent, so my assumption is they were kind of happy to switch to their own tld. Or maybe you know this is not the case?
According to the article they kept running the domain and using it for email for two years until Postel transferred it to Belgrade. (The article phrases it as though that email use was less important or less serious than the unspecified "work" that the group in Belgrade wanted to use it for, but that smells like a slanted narrative to me)
http://www.london.mfa.gov.rs/ambassador.php
So it is rationale/fair for the states to inherit what they originally had paid for.
Speaking of inheritance, did the newly created states of Croatia and Slovenia in 1918 inherit their share of Austro-Hungarian debt when they left that union, or did they enter a union with Serbia debt free?
Much like in a divorce, if it's something that has clearly stayed separate the whole time then perhaps, but if it's something the combined state has shared and maintained then probably not.
And see the (North) Macedonia drama for a clear example of a country's name being controversial.