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Did you go buy a bunch of lottery tickets afterwards? Cops doing their job when you give them the entire breadcrumb trail is incredibly rare. I have many stories from friends and that I’ve seen online of the cops refusing to do anything even when you can guide them directly to the location of your stolen property.

I’ve personally experienced their lack of competency when they refused to follow up on stalking/harassment of a friend. They said there was nothing they could do even after I’d tracked down what free texting service was being used and gave them the abuse email address for law enforcement to use. They just straight up refused to do anything. Finally I was able to get my friend’s number blacklisted from the free text message service’s side to stop the abuse (the scumbag would change phone numbers every time he was blocked so we couldn’t just block the number). We even knew who was behind it and they wouldn’t do anything. And before you think this was mild he was sending 100’s of texts a day and calling multiple times. He also keyed the victim’s car but again, cops wouldn’t do anything about it.

It depends on where you are. I had a stolen backpack recovered when I was travelling in Zurich. I stopped by the train station police, showed them the AirTag tracking, and they sped down the freeway (lights & sirens!) to catch up to the perpetrators' train and arrest them. I went to the Landesmuseum, and by the time I was done my backpack (and most of its contents) were ready for me at the police station.

Compared to SFPD, who took about 8 hours to even show up to my burgled apartment so I could file an insurance report, it was a breath of fresh air.

Stolen property with an address and evidence will always get actioned. It's easy and rewarding for them.

Online or telephone stuff won't. It is much more complex and requires system knowledge.

It's that simple.

That is contrary to my experience tracing a stolen MacBook Pro to a specific apartment over find my and being told by the San Mateo police I could file a report if I really wanted to, but not to expect anything to happen.

I’d expect it depends on the context of your jurisdiction, and so really is not that simple.

(I never got that MacBook back).

Is this conclusion purely theoretical, or based on any experience at all?

Because anecdotally, the cops that interacted with me and people around me where completely uninterested in doing any kind of work, no matter how easy it was.

> It's that simple.

You clearly don't understand what you're talking about if you think it's simple.

That is the exact opposite result of every single experience and anecdote with the cops I have ever had or heard from friends or family

The reason is that sitting in a car, playing solitaire or Pokemon go, collecting huge amounts of cash for doing nothing is even easier (and rewarding to most police officers) than solving an easy crime.

TBH having a few police officers drive to the place then spend that time probably costs more than the price of the device.

Are you suggesting that police services should operate like a service for hire? It isn't clear to me if you think the victim should hire the police to investigate (and thus decide if their price is lower than re-purchasing the item) or if you think the police are only expected to investigate based on the value of the item.

In either case it doesn't sound like a sound way to operate a police department. It seems like a good way to incentivize vigilantism though.

Kind of a moot point? Enforcing the law operates on a different level of desired outcome than the goods itself are worth. imagine you get your phone stolen and instead of retrieving it they bought you a new one creates a pretty perverse incentive structure!

Yes, but then you can push this logic to everything. Should firefighters intervene? This person dead is cheaper than alive.

Public services cannot think about making a profit, otherwise it gets dark pretty quickly.

You're looking at it from a single transaction cost-benefit perspective but that's not how it works societally. If everyone in the society knew that cops will be in their front door steps with a warrant every time a phone or a laptop was stolen, they're not going to be stealing them from the get-go.

So to translate, there may be a high up front cost but the return on invest will outweigh in the long run (for higher value products, admittedly). Even if that's not the case, you're not valuing the societal cost at all!

Police officers doing anything to protect individual safety or private property costs the government money.

Whether they're helping track down a smartphone or a private jet, the victim isn't expected to reimburse them.

The benefit to society of having police spend time and money to enforce the laws in theory, is that we get to feel some sense of security in our ability to continue owning things without having to fight off raiders, or walk down a street without getting assaulted/robbed.

Past a certain point of late-stage capitalism, there might be some resultant net negative effects to society, like when the masses are starving and the police are enforcing the property rights of the top 0.1% who are hoarding 90% of wealth/food/medicine. But in that scenario the top 0.1% are unlikely to be getting involved directly to track down a single laptop

Yeah but what else are they there for? They're paid with tax dollars, unless number of other crimes value > your crime value your statement still doesn't make sense.

And if there are enough crimes going on to mean that they can't even send a single officer to assist with a theft or burglary then that's the sign of a serious problem with wherever this place is.

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