Brisk 22-minute walk could offset harmful effects of sitting, study suggests
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Cycling 2+ hours weekly on top of that was the real bump in fitness. It's still the bare minimum a person should be doing, but it's nice to finally be able to sit comfortably after all these years.
First weeks were rough though - it felt as if I was morphing into something else - something with a higher lung capacity.
https://academic.oup.com/ptj/article/86/3/345/2805157
The diaphragm is also a muscle, and can be trained.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S17460....
Chronic contraction of the upper trapezius.
>[I]s it shown to correlate significantly with inhalation problems?
There’s not much in the medical literature beyond noting that that upper trapezius is an accessory muscle in expanding the lungs. (MDs correct me if this is wrong.)
Physiotherapy research is less rigorous but more expansive on the point. See e.g. Kim et al.
>BACKGROUND: Forward head posture (FHP) causes changes in the strengths and rigidities of cervical muscles.
OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to investigate correlations between FHP and respiratory functions and the muscle activities of respiratory accessory muscles in young adults in their 20s.
METHODS: A volunteer sample of 33 healthy young adults participated in this study. Craniovertebral angle (CVA), cranial rotational angle (CRA), vital capacity (VC), forced vital capacity (FVC), forced expiratory volume at 1 second (FEV1), peak expiratory flow (PEF), maximal voluntary ventilation (MVV), and sternocleidomastoid (SCM) and upper trapezius activity ratios were measured.
RESULTS: Significant positive correlations were found between CVA and VC, FVC, FEV1, PEF, and MVV, and a significant negative correlation was found between CVA and SCM activity ratio. Significant negative correlations existed between CRA and VC and FVC, and significant positive correlations between CRA and SCM and upper trapezius activity ratios.
It is often vizualized as a pyramid you need a good base to be able to keep max going.
So even if you only do a daily commute you have an easier time getting better.
And I thought robots weren't allowed on HN. /s
But seriously how do you do that exactly? Take some olive oil and inject it into your knees?
Olive oil is also potentially beneficial for joint lubrication when combined with exercise according to this study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09552...
However, you probably shouldn't inject it. A more normal way of getting things like this into your body is to eat them.
I just chug this stuff right from the bottle, but when the price is the same I buy lemon tasting tran, which gives lemon burps instead.
* can't find any special name on the packaging. The info about anti burp system is easy to miss. This is just one of many types of capsules produced by Möllers, anti burps are elongated and slightly cloudy, if it helps.
[1] https://www.npr.org/2023/10/03/1203173458/ted-radio-hour-lau...
So yes, get up and walk around for 5 minutes. Simulate picking up some firewood or foraging for some berries. You will be all the more healthy for it, and thats something more meaningful to optimize for than getting more of your bosses work done.
We are best friends, and I can't do our activities without him.
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By contrast, HIIT research suggests you really only need to hit max heart rate and VO2max for < 4 minutes 3x a week for effectively all the benefit.
The "interval" idea is 4 sprints of 30 - 45 seconds to go into max heart rate band, each with a 30 - 15 sec recovery to let heart drop a touch, then hit the next one. You are not doing aerobic exercise, you are pushing into anaerobic.
They also suggest a warmup and cooldown of at least a couple minutes, so put that together and you're looking at 8 minutes 3x a week.
The problem is that the first I in HIIT is much too much Intensity for some. Fitness clubs had to get rid of or gate HIIT machines because guests would vomit. If you're doing it right, you will be anaerobic, many people don't tolerate that without working up to it, and people hate working up to things.
Supposedly -- though less research on this -- the same routine will "upshift" metabolism so after 6+ weeks of accommodation, your 24 hr calorie burn from these 8 mins 3x a week is greater than if doing traditional hour long fitness routines every day, and that upshift can last 6 - 9 most after cessation of the routine.
And as you get fitter you can just load more weight/exercise type.
Of course it comes with the taste of bile….
A lot of people just can't go from sitting on their buts all day to sitting on their buts all day with the addition of a daily vomit enducing HIIT routine. They would explode.
Probably best to start by walking, then walking briskly, etc...
I don't know about brisk walking, but if you run at a steady pace for 22 minutes, your heart rate will be higher in the second half than the first. If you split a weight training set in half - I believe it is more likely to increase the bulk and strength of your muscles but won't be as good at building stamina.
Getting heart rate into a zone and keeping it there incrementally has a strange effect of growing a walk into a light jog on its own as well. The body seems to continue its improvement.
aye, there's the rub
there are very few places I can walk without hitting multiple red lights
Reducing the number of lights on a walk can help.
For winter time finding a walking treadmill (they are a few hundred) can be a great way to watch those YouTube playlists of things you mean to.
That's enough writing for me, time to go out and stack firewood.
So I'm still the target audience, you're wrong, and I'm not right, because I wasn't trying to make a point or win Internet Argument Points.
Why does every comment on HN need to be adversarial? I feel like it's a result of the rules being skewed to only comments that are "useful", and that leading to intellectual competition and constantly trying to "win" some point. Why can't we just share our thoughts without constant corrections?
Maybe you should walk in a more interesting environment?
But putting the two together, walking whilst listening to podcasts works very well for me.
When I met my wife she would consistently drink a pot of coffee around 8PM and fall asleep an hour later. Different people are wired differently.
I.e. "Some people don't need to walk 22 minutes a day, don't tell them to do so. Different people are wired differently."
Just as there is evidence walking 22 minutes a day improves lifespan for the /majority/ of people, drinking caffeine 6 hours before bed is considered negative for your sleep for the /majority/ of people. It's sound advice, even if it's telling someone what to do.
While I believe suggesting people be more lenient to other's life choices is good - it's a practice in empathy - sometimes people are misguided because the might not realize the impact of their actions, haven't thought about their actions thoroughly, etc. These mentions can be wakeup calls just as often as they can be negative/annoyances. I'd argue OP keep suggesting advice and instead we all try to keep open minds is the safer choice, for the /majority/ at least.
Just my $0.02
I used to take walks around the neighborhood during weekly meetings and 1:1s.
With the dog, I walk for at least an hour a day, but maybe 20 minutes of that is brisk.
- Watch what you eat/count calories
- Lift heavy weights
- Do cardio
#3 on its own is rarely ever going to show results. So many people will jog for an hour or more every day and then eat a candy bar as a reward, instantly undoing all the work, then eventually get discouraged when they see no progress.
While weight loss is mostly diet, if you did want to use exercise to burn additional calories, cardio would do more than weight training. I burn up to 1000 calories in an hour of very strenuous cycling (from normal weight), which I doubt I could ever do lifting dumbbells and barbells.
I've always used weight training during weight loss to try and tell my body to retain muscle and target fat primarily.
the way i always think about it is that humans are among the most efficient runners in the entire animal kingdom; some tribes in Africa still practice persistence hunting. so by extension, cardio is going to be the worst choice for weight loss - but the other benefits still make it worth it.
That is, it is easy to view some exercising as a substitute for some snacking. And, in that job, it works rather well. Is my hypothesis on why the simple walk around the neighborhood has outsized impact on weight loss.
This is a lot of what I think many studies find that show benefits to coffee and such. Nowadays, that is as often a substitute for sodas. And the amount of calories you get from a soda is just flat out absurd. I'm fairly certain even those of us that know it is bad for you underestimate just how bad it is.
I’d suggest that calorific burn really is but one measure.
Science is built upon a foundation of falsifiability. The pinnacle of understanding in science is an accepted theory which can, of course, be discarded if significant evidence to the contrary comes to light.
This wouldn't be much different from any other process. And, of course, could call into question many other things we have fixed times in the day for.
I'm actually struggling to imagine sitting 12 hours a day and also getting real exercise in. Unless they don't count walking around the house to eat and such, that is a crap load of sitting.
I have never been healthier than when I got to work by walking or biking.
I am currently on a 400+ day runstreak where i run around 20 minutes/day (what my lunch-hour allows).
The psychology behind the streak is that it is somewhat tough the first month, but after that there simply isn't enough reason to stop.
When it comes to health, I am not sure. Possible that I sleep better, at least I get more tired in the evenings.
I think I may get a cold a bit more often. But as someone else noted, my muscles are less tense, and that is throughout the body, not legs in particular.
After six months I added a light jog for a mile.
Six months after that I was well enough to start HIIT classes. Six months after that I was strong enough to start real weight training and distance running.
Three years later I am down ~80lbs, able to run 10 miles at an 8:00 pace, and bench 205.
These aren’t extreme numbers for someone who started off reasonably healthy. But if you’ve been sedentary a long time, the difference in how you move and feel will be shocking.
Starting off can pose real challenges to your sense of self-worth, because you feel pathetic when you see how small your initial efforts are compared to what you see online and in media. It’s important to shift your mindset toward self-comparison, being slightly better than yourself yesterday.
If you’re struggling because you have chosen other priorities over your body (e.g. coding, family) in your 20s, I promise you, you will get there with consistent effort and compounded effort over time.
For the most part people know what's healthy, it's somewhere in between being a marathon runner or powerlifter and being obese.
I feel that someone who seeks to optimise their exercise in this way is kind of missing the point. The healthiest older people I know don't metricise everything, they just incorporate things like hikes, generally walking, eating proper food etc into their lives.
Woooooot! Ifuckinglovescience!!!!
But how do we know this destined-to-die cohort will change that destiny by merely pretending to be the other group insofar as walking >=22 mins?
Edit: At least, astonishing if the effect persisted across multiple large and high quality studies.
Exercise is essential yet in our modern lives it does not exist in a mandatory form. The entire workplace structure of our society needs to be redone.
There still need to be flex and balance training introduced. So much workout...
Last year I decided to lose weight (I lost 35kg / 70 pounds in 9 months). During that time, I also decided to start running. This year, once my weight stabilised, I started getting huge improvements in running performance (probably from not being on huge calorie deficit anymore). Little did I know, I completely outpaced my body's ability to strengthen tendons and got pretty serious injury in my foot.
I could not run for almost 2 months. Once I could walk (but not yet run) I started doing A LOT of walking. I got up to 2-3.5h of brisk walk (about 27k steps / 22km) every day and stayed there for a month.
When I started running again, I have noticed not only I did not lose any of my improvements, I actually was way ahead of where I would be if I kept running. It was as if my running performance kept steadily improving at a fast pace even with me doing no running.
I now use walking as part of my regular training and I regularly trade some walking volume into running or back, depending on situation. I had enormous running performance improvement (as measured by my ability to run fast and long at a specific low heart rate) and I attribute it to a large degree to high volume of walks (averaged 29k steps for the past 6 months, this includes running).
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As to the topic of the submission, it is no wonder that walking offsets bad effects of sitting. For example, bad effects of sitting on our health include things like increased insulin resistance (this happens when you spend a long time not moving after a meal). When you go for a walk after a meal your muscles start consuming way more energy than when you are at your basal metabolic rate, not moving. This additional requirement for energy helps remove sugar from your bloodstream. This for your body is as if it was more sensitive to insulin -- it needs less insulin for a shorter time to achieve the same effect. And in fact muscle working IS more sensitive to insulin as it opens itself up to receive much needed energy sources.
Also training at low intensity (brisk walk for most people) is what athletes use to improve their mitochondria to improve their aerobic capacity. VO2.max has been found to correlate with longevity much more than even diabetes, smoking or even some cancers. It seems if you want to live long and healthy life you should strive to improve your mitochondrial health, aerobic capacity and low intensity aerobic activity that involves large parts of your body that you can do consistently every day, like walking, is the best way to achieve it.
I am now helping couple obese people help lose their weight. I asked them, rather than start running to just spend as much time as they can walking at a brisk pace. It carries much less injury risk. It is much easier to do consistently. It has much less overhead (you just walk out the door, no need to drive to gym). It is much more enjoyable and thus easier to stick to. It does not leave people in pain afterwards. And it has some additional utility -- you can walk places.
These days, I just keep my stable set of weights, which are rather light compared to what I used to do, but I increased repetitions to at least 2x. Didn't have any injury anymore. Also, if you are smart you eventually realize huge muscles are outright stupid for real life, extremely hard o get to and maintain, especially without ruining your body, and completely impractical for any sport. Long term you end up exactly opposite than healthy. Same for climbing, I climb easier routes but have always tremendous fun, I simply love climbing and whole ballet on a vertical rockface, especially on real rock out there in the nature.
Great for health, longevity, happiness, but also attractive to other sex can be a bit of muscle and lean. Your personality, approach to life etc. makes much more impression and gets you stable long term relationships easier if that's the motivation.
Oh and I do similar but a bit shorter walks, earplugs in my ears, walking around wineyards around us in almost complete darkness, just moon and few villages far away. Sometimes stoned :) Since I love them I don't even think about them as a workout, rather head cleanup, connecting with nature.
Just my 2 cents.
Good core muscles will protect against a lot of injuries and will make you much less fragile. Both physically and chemically (for example, by being able to buffer blood sugar).
The stronger the muscle, tendons, joints and bones you start with, the longer you will enjoy not being fragile.
But I do agree you can reach the point of diminishing returns very quickly and focusing on muscle doesn't make sense assuming you spend effort on other healthy activities like low intensity aerobic exercise, high intensity aerobic exercise, flexibility, etc. I do weight lifting and calisthenics session, once a week, to strengthen my muscles, tendons and joints to help with my running and from what I researched it should be enough to greatly reduce my chance of running injuries.
Just look at the average desk worker posture and it'll tell you more than half of the story already, it's bad for your back, it's bad for your neck, it's bad for you hips, it's bad for breathing, it's bad for blood circulation, it's bad for lymph circulation, &c.
Then there is the fact that you cannot survive without sleep, if you were to spend another 8 hours in bed you'd likely develop bed sores and all kind of nasty things
Our thought is if we can also build significant posture changes (sit-stand) more easily into the workday it can help a lot, and our first study showed this dramatically.
We just launched on Indiegogo here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/movably-pro-the-freedom-o...
My guess is today's recommendations to move every 30m/45m or so were a compromise between ergonomists and employers given more frequent interruption was not practical in the workplace.
In our study 100% of participants reported no discomfort even compared to high end ergonomic chair. Aside from what our chair does it does show how impactful more frequent posture changes can be. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00036...
Dedicating even 5 hours of your week for real vigorous activities will absolutely change your life. Is the baseline really "do just enough to not die of an heart attack before 50" ? So much wasted potential...
How much did this study cost? I could have saved them some money.
"Going for a brisk walk for just 22 minutes once a day may be enough to offset the negative health effects of sitting too much, research suggests."
Indeed, being active is natural and healthy. When will the next study show that being active is natural and healthy? I guess the recurrence of these articles can be the impetus for someone to break out of an inactive cycle, so commendable in that regard.
Reducing it to "exercise good" is too blunt an instrument
Let’s look for more walking for 20min articles posted on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...