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I think that we are at the point of - everyone that likes electric cars already has one. And it neads a leap up in usability or leap down in price.

From 1Up is strictly urban car, and the ID.x are tok damn expensive.

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It's going to take a majority of used ICE vehicles to reach disarray before I get an EV!

It's not even that I'm against them specifically.

Look at new ICE cars, useless features and upsells. EVs are doing that but taking it to another degree. Like with any new thing, terms change

I can't help but think Car 2.0 is going to continue down this rent seeking/nearly hostile pattern

I'd rather fall back to a rusted beater than buy one of these, under these terms.

Someone makes a mostly low-tech EV? I may be interested

I’m in your boat. I’m tempted to buy a cyber truck and could probably accumulate the capital when I come up on the reservation list next year but the idea that I’m being tracked and I don’t “own” all the features in the car is really off putting to me.

The ford lighting generally seems to be better in this regard but offer me the base model with longer range. I’m a big diy guy and I’m going to end up beating up a lot and I just want minimal features.

For now I now I’ll stick with my 1996 K1500 6.5L diesel with 300k miles. It will probably run until I’m dead if I keep up basic maintenance.

The owning thing you talk about is it, for me.

We're paying dozens of thousands of dollars for these things. They need to be serviceable, durable, and generally utilitarian. Especially with the common squeeze getting ever-tighter.

The average consumer may not care and permit the EVs to take away what used to be expected... but I'm not having it.

Useless features required by federal regulations .

There are all kinds of affordable, simple, proven private cars running decades old tech available in other countries, from Ladas to Land Cruisers.

Not all of my complaints originate with regulation but many surely do.

A decent example of one I think is free/clear is OEM weight reduction. Pay more for them to do/include less.

The argument is that it's for performance, but we're talking maybe a couple dozen pounds. Anyone buying that is the fool we heard about and their money.

It's the price. The base Toyota Camry is $26k, the hybrid starts at 36k and there is no all-electric. At 10,000 miles a year and $4 a gallon, the base costs $1600/y in gas and the hybrid costs $1000, so you need to keep the cars 15 years to make the hybrid break even.

It is also inconvenience of charging. The fact that I need to waste an hour on a charger instead of being filled up in 5 minutes like with ICE.

And most of people are not going to charge at home. 50% of people in EU live in an apartment and in USA charging will be killed by HOA.

I'd like to see the HOA contract that specifies what I can put into the interior of my garage, such as a charger.

yeah, but driveway charging is DoA with HOA

That's demonstrably not true in all cases. I see driveway charging in front of multi-million dollar houses that I know full well have HOAs. Now, it very well could be that it's not enforced, but I see it regularly. (Redmond, WA, if that matters to anyone.)

And I'll ignore that the goalposts suddenly moved.

You can ignore what you want, but HOA won't ignore you.

Obviously the HOA will ignore such things, as I’ve anecdotally demonstrated. As for yourself, you just keeping repeating yourself without even an attempt of an anecdote or a link to support your counter argument.

So I’m bowing out of an unproductive back-and-forth. Enjoy the rest of your day.

> And most of people are not going to charge at home.

I'm in Berlin, most apartment blocks around me have courtyards (with entrances large enough to drive a horse-and-carriage through), the one I'm in has a courtyard with off-street parking with chargers.

There's also on-street parking outside many apartments in my area, and some of them come with charging points.

> USA charging will be killed by HOA

Even if that was true, HOA rules can always be altered or unmade by any sufficiently higher authority.

> I'm in Berlin, most apartment blocks around me have courtyards (with entrances large enough to drive a horse-and-carriage through), the one I'm in has a courtyard with off-street parking with chargers.

Like those massive commie blocks in Berlin with parking lots planned for 1 car per 3 apartments? Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about.

Either you missed the bit about the horse drawn carriages or you have a very surprising idea of how people got about in the DDR.

> Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about.

For the second time today, I'm drawn to the biblical quote about motes of dust and beams of wood and their respective impacts on visual acuity.

I am not sure, why are you citing me Bible. I am talking about the fact, that people in apartments does not have way to charge, because there is nowhere to park at a first place. And that's an issue when EU has 50% of people living in apartments.

Because your claim is false (in two distinct ways one of which would still be true even if all courtyards were removed and that should have been clear even from the message you replied to in the first place), and you're the one who needs to get out of their bubble.

The hybrid Camry starts at $28.8k in the US, just $2k more.

Not according to me asking Toyota's website to build one.

The cars are fine the infrastructure is sorely lacking even with Tesla chargers. We’re a decade out on infrastructure maybe more

And we haven't solved the "I am not rich enough to own my own damn house with garage/carport" issue. Few apartments/HOA allow EV charging installation, even fewer have it for renters and even the power distribution isn't often there to power up a whole garage with EVs. A few cars maybe, but what if 50% or more are EVs?

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