I live in my car: Parking lots open for those who can afford a car but not rent
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Yet we broadly refuse to dismantle a century of ever-tightening restrictions on what can be built nor simplify or eliminate processes that slow down and drive up costs for the little that's legal.
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Unfortunately a lot of folks think that housing doesn't follow the same simple economic rules that we've observed for all other physical goods. So they don't allow supply and we continue to spiral deeper and deeper into a housing crisis.
If housing were abundant, we wouldn't be reading articles about the rise of living in cars.
Further, there isn't unlimited demand at every price point. When you constrain supply to the point that high-end demand can consume more than total possibly supply, of course builders only build to the high end of the market.
Finally, we've made the high end of the market the only thing which can possibly pencil out by driving up costs. Planners demand low floor area ratios, high parking rates, articulated facades, parks dedications, high impact fees - that money ultimately comes from the buyer or the renter. So by making those demands you price out increasingly large portions of the population.
If more houses are built, prices will go down.
Has anyone done some math on the housing density that is most economical? My guess would be that the height limit would be close to five or six stories before the engineering to go higher was excessive, but that is just a wild guess. Courtyards down to ground level so people can have an external view seem wasteful from a heating and cooling perspective, most people don't want to live with no windows.
The real solution would be to fight the speculation and accept acces to a home as a human right. So prohibit/tax unrented rentals, progressively taxes owning multiple homes.
I live in a poorer EU country where foreign money bought everything they could. They dont even bother renting it out because increase of the value of the properties is where the money is. If they started to rent the evaulations would fall.
The answer is to remove housing as an investment vehicle. Also prohibiting the ownership of multiple houses by a single individual or institution.
To discourage speculation, governments should impose land value tax, but not property tax, to encourage efficient use of land. You'll also need to pair with other reform, like changing how zoning should be done, how transportation is planned, and so forth.
No, it's driven by supply and demand.
When two things happen concurrently, it can be hard to tell cause and effect apart.
In reality, real estate speculation is driven by the simple fact that prices always go up, making it one of the best investments there is for those with enough cash.
If you legalize massive housing construction, housing prices will start going down, and the speculation money will have to go elsewhere.
I would love to think that remote work will solve some of this, but myself and many others do not find that fulfilling or sustainable in the same way as even being in the office 2-3 days a week. RTO is increasingly becoming a trend, which I personally find unfortunate but can understand.
We can and should get rid of some dated zoning restrictions and ineffective leaders but it’s not going to be a panacea by any means.
Building on these gives the developer a perpetual abeyance on any capital gains, they don't have to pay tax on their profit at all! These QOZs were intended to incentivize the development of land in rural areas where development is not being done by the capital class, but are being abused to put money in the pockets of the rich to ensure there's somewhere to keep the slave class close by all the tech bros so they can cook their lunch.
Heaven forbid they were actually used in rural areas and created jobs where these humans could leave the city and seek some semblance of self-determination.
Commuting to the office wouldn’t be so bad if it just meant taking a train for 20 minutes while you read HN.
I’m lucky enough to live with my parents in a rural area, but if I ever move out to San Francisco or NYC for work I will probably try to find the smallest possible apartment. I don’t need a kitchen or table. I just need a bed, wardrobe, and lockable door. I’ve spent enough time in hostels around the world to know I could make it.
As a single person, I do not think living in a city is that big a challenge. Sure it’s expensive, you still have to hustle, but you can get a studio or roommates or even live with family, that is how people get by.
Once you are partnered and have kids it becomes much more challenging. I know someone who raised a family of five kids in a 2BR in Chicago, it can be done. But it’s a cultural issue: that is what poor people do, and nobody wants to feel poor. So we expect to have a big house that is unaffordable in the city and we move to cheaper climes and commute.
The nuclear family is a big part of the problem. Going back to multi-generational housing with little private space is not a super popular option, but Gen Z seems to be dipping their toes…
It's weird that this is such a common thought in a world where Tokyo exists.
You can build an almost unlimited number of floors on that limited land, and it has been done with brilliant results!
Oddly enough, I live in an even older Ford Fusion and it's really easy. Spend time at the Library, Starbucks and get a gym membership for showering. I work full-time and don't dick around with washing dishes or anything. Got an inverter and think of my car as a generator with wheels.
I took out my front passenger seat so I can lay down to sleep. Made it through the summer in the south and it was pretty bad, but you sleep while your body sweats and you deal with mosquitos and flies on the regular.
What would be some nice-to-haves, and what would drastically increase your experience of living in a car?
What are some unavoidable extremely difficult realities that come with this lifestyle?
Unavoidable realities include, bathroom availability, no privacy, and little control (outside of moving) over neighbors in parking lots and weather conditions; which affect the mood more than you would think - rain is a real bummer in the heat.
In light of the manageable struggles, the image of you yelling at birds made me chuckle real good.
True!
That said, the material foundations are a bit different when building a safety net vs spending it.
Is that because you have an income that enables you to purchase meals assembled by someone else?
Perhaps you are super small and this is actually somehow comftable and you don't mind doing private stuff in a car in some parking lot (or at least you actually park in nature?) but you know you constatly live in someones else space. Starbucks, gym, library, work.
Why not take a little bit of money and do the van conversation much much faster?
Renting puts me in someone elses space too, just not in the same contextual way - but, functionally no different.
I personally also try to find a workplace were i can look outside into nature. I don't need to look outside today but i believe i have less risk of depression and more fun overall if my workplace is good.
Same thing as eating highly processed food: of course you can and than 20 years later when you are 50 and finally free, you have so many health issues that you can't enjoy it anymore.
Good luck anyway
I'll even let you become "my guest [FREE] membership". Get youself some tendies, bruh.
It's not like it's the life he chose, but he seems to be doing all right.
But in fact 'rent' means to tear, split, rip, etc, and that's exactly what it is. People who 'own' land, ripping money from people who don't. But, land is common heritage like air and water, it belongs to us all, and individuals should not be able to own it, or at least not to own and 'rent' it.
Rent is a ripoff, by nature, and in it's very name.
Then you realize just how difficult it is to build. It takes just as long as the build sometimes and costs thousands and thousands upfront just to get to the point where you can start.
We need a streamlined process that allows standardized housing to be built with minimal upfront costs and on small affordable lots.
ADUs are up to 1200sq feet — for most people this is a whole dang house not an accessory dwelling unit.
Want to see how easy improvement could be made? Imagine if you could write off 50-70 percent of the total cost of an ADU over 15 years as long as it’s rented out to no more than 3 tenants during each year — and eliminated the ability of cities and counties to block their development as long as they fit on the lot. You’d have a massive increase in affordability in just a few short years.
It’s the laws and the zoning that are the problem. You’re spot on.
I built more than one house, not alone of course.
The problem with modern US building codes is that there is still too much over-regulation (e.g. AFCI's required in essentially all residential splits), combined with the dangerous interconflict of builder's EGO -vs- inspector's EGO — particularly egregious when the inspector feels a one-off homebuilder "deserves" differential treatment.
I think the dumbest jurisdictions (AHJ's) are the ones which prevent homeowners from (e.g.) installing their own electrical outlets, not even in owner-occupied structures. Homeowner maintenance becomes illegal, in certain stupid AHJ's (e.g. Chattanooga); and is thus done unpermitted by a helpless-to-stupid-regulations policy.
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Thanks for allowing my vent, and re-enforcing some of its basis.
But yes, it's true that many people who dislike rent may be happier owning a single family home.
After all, the apartment building will inevitably come with some sort of political process to decide things like how much this year's residents ought to put aside ready to replace the roof in a decade's time. And while such payments may not technically be rent, they'll smell very similar.
Rent as in a tear comes via Middle and Old renten/renden and back to Proto-West Germanic and then it goes cold.
But the right to own land is an essential part of a functioning society. The idea that no one should be able to own land is ridiculous and does not work. There are plenty of examples of this all across the globe.
But land ownership as in subletting and sub-subletting and sub-sub who knows how many levels up, that is not a necessary consequence of the concept of land ownership. What if only personal use was allowed? Sure, you would definitely see hoarding and countermeasures would not be without their own problems, but there is definitely room between unbounded capitalism and "property does not exist" level socialism.
Even trees do that. Eucalyptus literally poisons land near it to kill competition.
What do you call the territorial animals then? A tiger will chase other tigers from the area it considers its own. Same as wolves and many other species. It's not exactly property in the sense that it cannot be traded but it is indeed the ownership. Without property rights humans would have had the same: the strong chase the weak off their land or force them to pay for being on the land.
That's precisely what property rights are: "the strong [...] forc[ing the weak ...] to pay for being on the land". That's what property taxes are. To "have rights" is to be paid up with a protection racket. Yet as depressing as that is, it beats the alternative! In many places it's not a bad deal!
There is admittedly also an element of magic here: People generally view property rights as legitimate, and the police who enforce them as legitimate, and so on. But when that belief system fails, it's ultimately the State's ability to deploy force that reestablishes the faith.
Indeed, the law is ultimately based on force but it still does allow physically weak to have rights, unlike a natural law.
In practice, with housing, such leases are effectively ownership. The terms on these are often 100 years or more, and when they come to term, since there are often significant improvements built in the land, the terms can't be renegotiated since the lessor can't force the sale or relocation of the improvements.
so for most of recorded human history society did not function?
the only reason we're allowed to buy land is because it was commodified during the industrial revolution as the process of capital extraction from labor had moved from the land to the factories.
Since governments are in the business of governing, not real estate, they'll almost definitely outsource that work (or big parts of it) to private contractors like they do for defense.
The end result is that your landlord is now an even bigger private entity (that might be a conglomerate of smaller entities, which might or might not look like the institutional landlords that exist today) with the near-infinite financial backing of the government and the insanely slow processes that come with that (such as having to go through an intermediate to get that Tesla Powerwall you want to install approved, only to be told that Tesla isn't an approved supplier and that you should use this battery from $VENDOR_THAT_WE_DONT_HAVE_RELATIONSHIPS_WITH_WE_PROMISE).
Before buying my first house in 2021, I was paying $2k / month in rent in a 2 family house my landlord bought 2 years prior for $350k. There was another person paying an additional $1k/month in the same house for a total of $3k/mo of total rent for a $350k house the landlord purchased through a LLC the year prior.
When I ended up buying a house, the monthly mortgage payments were about the same as rent except the house is 2x larger with 5x more property (on the same street as the apartment I was renting).
In other words, for mobility to really be worth the cost of renting, you really gotta be taking advantage of that benefit and moving around a lot. If you’re renting a house like I was for a long period of time, it makes absolutely no sense.
Unfortunately, I think most renters do so out of necessity (not able to afford a $75k down payment, for example).
At least when you rent, you can easily move elsewhere and hope for thicker walls. I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in France, selling and buying a new house is a very expensive ordeal. The state gets to tax you 7% of the price of the new home. And with housing prices being absurdly high, 7% is quite a sum.
No it doesn't. 'Rent' in this context derives through french from a latin verb that means "to give back".
Your confusion comes from the fact that 'rent' can also be the past tense of 'rend' which has a different origin and comes from old english and germanic roots rather than French and latin.
TBH, I prefer to stay in my truck than be put up in a hotel room (which happens about 1/3 of the time on these gigs). I don't have to share it with coworkers and it's very comfortable.
To be clear, that situation is way different than if I didn't have a place to go back to for a while. It's also way different in that I get paid really well for the work, and a lot of it is festival stuff where there are a lot of traveling folks anyhow.
Most of the places I have been just feel so horrifically insecure.
If I had to rate most of the places I've slept in the last 80 or so nights in my truck, the primary axis would be "how secure do I feel about not getting kicked off this spot".
Followed shortly by "how secure do I feel about not getting robbed/shot/etc".
I have only been rousted once, and that was because I was in a ski resort lot in Utah (I had a 3-day pass and was on my way to a gig). And that guy told me where in the little town I could park without getting hassled. So I might just be overly worried about getting kicked. I have a nice truck with window-less topper, so it is hard to tell there is anyone sleeping in it anyhow.
After the last week of chilling in an industrial park near Denver (near a company I work for's warehouse) I spent last night on FS land near Colorado Springs, and it was super nice to not have to worry about getting asked to leave and to know that I more or less have a right to be on that land, as much as any other person here.
All that is to say that I find this situation much easier in the west, where there is a whole lot of BLM/Forest Service land; having clearer ideas about safe places to stay is probably the best thing that would help folks who are wanting to live in vehicles. Maybe the article says that, but I don't have access.
When we have autonomous cars, I expect this to increase, probably even become the dominant lifestyle. You sleep in your car, car takes you to your favorite scenic spot. By the time you wake, your car is already at gym or work (if work has bathrooms, unlikely). Then it drives you to work, takes you to favorite healthy eating places and takes you back 'home'. Cars will be built with specific features to make this a bit more comfortable. But, of course, there will be in-app payments. Want a pillow - purchase $2.99/hour. BMW is already doing this. [1]
Homes become so costly that most can't afford them. The super rich will own all of them (directly or indirectly via luxury cruise lines) and they are all available on airbnb. People rent these homes for a few days, because they have to share pics on instagram. Home stay is just like going on a cruise.
You'll own nothing and be happy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27ll_own_nothing_and_be_ha...
[1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/2/21311332/bmw-in-car-purcha...
- I wanted to try something I haven't done before
- My former house didn't qualify for a residential parking permit. I found it annoying that all residents aren't equal in this regard
- Coping with the death of a close relative who had been homeless by choice for decades
- It makes it easier to reach my financial goals
- I learn a lot of things I wouldn't learn otherwise and get to explore my surrounding area; it's been easier to avoid dull stereotype so far (but I realize that even this could become repetitive, at which point I will likely find something else to entertain myself)
- I enjoy spending the saved commute time outside in the nature
I just wish I had a bigger car that would accommodate a bike
And yet the lede story out of Washington DC for the past two to three weeks concerns the Speaker of the House and how that is crippling the legislative process. Who know it could get worse? Next we'll be back to budget and debt ceiling circus. And so on...
We taxpayers should be furious. Oh wait! Plenty - and growing - already are!!
Or maybe a dream...
Starlink is $150/mo and full-hookup campgrounds with long-term rates are $600-1500/mo.
That is an excellent question.
But that's the minority anyway, those who were born into rent extracting elites need to not lift a finger.
Land is not result of anyone's work.
It is when you try to move into a building that someone wants rent. Just like when you want to benefit from someone’s work to convert mere facts into a story.
You can also take facts from paywalls article and use them to write a story, same thing.
Subs like this encourage siloization. That $26/month is only efficient if you read NYT pretty regularly (at the expense of reading stuff from other outlets), not if you read an article or two every month.
Isn't that what bankruptcy is for? We purposefully don't have debtor's prison. The founders didn't want debts to take a person's life. Here clearly is a person giving their life for their debt.
Because you lose reputation and assets.
It's completely fucked up that companies can bakrupt any time, but people can't. It helps nobody that people are stuck as modern slaves in barely survivable conditions. It's insane that people like you consider this better than the alternative.
Total cost (including an attorney) for declaring bankruptcy sits around $2500 and at one point the article points out that her bank account is $900 overdrawn. If you’re in that situation, $2500 might as well be a million dollars.
I was in a similar position once. My attorney couldn't reconcile why I was filing for bankruptcy when I was still actively paying my debts. The expectation is that you should have long ago stopped paying the debts you're trying to discharge, because it conveniently frees up more than enough money to pay bankruptcy fees.
Trust in capitalism, it gets better
Anecdotally, my family's health insurance (early 30s, 1 child; mostly paid for by my employer; 2k a month) costs more monthly than our mortgage (1600 a month). Not to mention the money that we pay into social security and Medicare.
Would you be willing to do that?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/cos...
Also don't forget that you, too, will be old. A lot sooner than you probably think.
I hope to be like they are and make room for our coming generation when my I am their age. My parents prioritized me and my generation. I will do so as well.
Other cultures will vampirically parasitize their children but mine will not.