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I'm not an expert, but something rubs me the wrong way about slapping TM on kernel, a word that already has a common technical use.

It would be like General Mills advertising its new breakfast(TM) cereal.

That was the first thing that drew my eye. And it raises some questions for me.

Doesn’t it take like a year to register a trademark? If this is a fresh new startup are these things actually even trademarked?

And can you even trademark a common word like this? Is the trademark the word in that particular font?

And finally, what is the point?

Good questions. I guess if you can trademark Apple, you can trademark kernel. But just as you don't have to respect the Apple trademark when talking about apples, I doubt you have to respect a kernel trademark when talking about kernels.

> Doesn’t it take like a year to register a trademark? If this is a fresh new startup are these things actually even trademarked?

It’s not a registered trademark sign. That’s ®

Ah TIL, thanks!

TM means nothing. You can put it on anything. The R symbol however is Registered Trademark, and you can't just put that on anything.

It doesn't just rub me the wrong way, it's actually bugging me. The hubris of claiming an exceptionally well-defined word in concurrent use in computing from the very beginnings of modern operating systems is staggering.

What gets me is that it isn't even an os kernel, but instead their backend.

Their prior branding was even worse – its used to be OS2 before they went with rabbit. OS/2 is a thing, but they went with OS2… really? My guess is it’s a relatively young technical team.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230808234114/https://www.os2.a...

My guess is this will be 90% marketing and tie ins, and 10% product, and that there ia no ‘OS’. Just a wrapper for an Android platform.

There is a glyph for that: ™

> Large Action Model (LAM) is a new type of foundation model that understands human intentions on computers.

Ah, so it's AI bullshit.

This is rather dismissive. I think this looks like an interesting experiment.

Working helpdesk, it's already hard enough for a human to figure out what a user actually wants. I doubt a machine will fare better.

the point is that the user don't really know what he wants or can't communicate that efficiently

And the only intent you can get is 'Solve my problem'

I wonder if it may be the other way actually. Helpdesk has own knowledge, training, expectations, etc. Given enough data, AI can dispassionately adapt to common user misconceptions, unofficial names, ignore terrible grammar, etc.

Whenever I get on a call with an automated system, the first thing I do is figure out what do I need to tell it to dispatch me to a human in the shortest amount of time, sometimes I purposefully phrase it in a way that I know a machine cannot understand.

If I go though the trouble of making a call, then it's usually a complex problem that had no solution in the UI of the service that I am using, therefore it's highly unlikely that some automated system can solve it, if it could, there would probably be a button for it already.

So where is the white paper for this 'LAM' contraption? Where are the researchers?

It’s an LLM. Just check their website from before the re-branding (os2.ai). I linked the wayback machine version elsewhere in the comments.

What does “AI bullshit” mean? LLMs and generative AI in general are revolutionary.

There is no artificial intelligence. Stop listening to marketing department.

Hate to break it to you, but words can mean different things than just their dictionary definition.

Revolutionary how? Why would you ever want to "talk to your computer" rather than just.. press a button?

There's a reason secretaries aren't really a thing anymore.

If I could

"Computer, look through the youtube suggestions on _topic_ and return one that is half hour long and from a respected, but not too popular channel"

I would be very happy

Clerk: Occupation?

RabbitOS: [grandly] Human Intention Interpreter!

Clerk: What

RabbitOS: I coalesce the vapour of human intentions into a viable and logical comprehension.

Clerk: Oh, so you're a bullshit artist

Wagering $20 right now that this has nothing to do with an actual OS.

I think they misspelled API

They pretend it’s both an OS and a new device. I bet $100 that they’ll fail at both, and create an iPhone app backed by ChatGPT instead.

> kernel™ is the cloud-based infrastructure that makes real-time interactions viable.

Nothing to do with an OS, no. There has been a trend for the last 5 years or so of calling cloud services "operating systems".

Looks like there's a demo, but I don't know what it's supposed to do: https://demo.rabbit.tech/webapp/en

Seems like I'm just talking to LLM and that's it?

It can do some things, but it's very slow. When asking to play a song, it asked me to log in on Spotify on what seemed like a remote server.

Pretty much, to me it's an inferior version of Chat GPT with worse UI.

Lots of void text, lots of trademarks (even for the word kernel™...), lots of smoke, and nothing to show without giving out your email address first.

I tried the demo. Most of the time the model understands the request but fails to deliver a valid response.

What is all this supposed to mean? All I can understand is that they somehow want to provide a natural language interface to a kernel? Why kernel(tm)?

If you ask it to play a song, you'll get a Spotify login prompt running in a remote Chromium instance. The Spotify login is interesting... you can try to log in with google, then click the Privacy link at the bottom, scroll to the footer and click the Google link, then search for an online visual studio code and open up some files on the VM that they're running...

Uh, sounds like an information disclosure finding they probably ought to be informed about..

"kernel™ is the cloud-based infrastructure that makes real-time interactions viable."

Sigh

We have now reached a whole new level of grift, this looks to be the juicero of AI.

Personally, I feel like I can direct a computer to do what I want way more precisely using a terminal (or even classic GUI) right now than I ever could using the ambiguity of natural language.

Wow I have no opinion on the product yet, but I’m really impressed with the design of the site. And I don’t say that lightly.

Holy vaporware batman!

I don't understand this at all but the demo was very disappointing. Basically just a Siri-style AI to talk to that can schedule tasks. Not very inspiring

lost me at "quantum engine". it's a bunch of automations linked together by something like GPT with function calling. and you'd have to give them access to your accounts to run things in "tHE cLOuD".

And the cloud makes "real-time interactions viable" somehow.

i asked it to play an album and it started streaming me the screen from a remote ubuntu instance asking for my spotify credentials -- press command+shift+i to bring up the window menu

Startup playbook: hack a proof of concept together in the shortest timeframe possible, fix the problems later.

I find the idea of putting a natural language model in front of my OS silly and misguided, because I naturally know how to use my computer and translate my thoughts into actions on the mouse and keyboard swiftly. Putting a (probably poor quality) text input as a barrier feels like it would degrade my experience

Bullshit artists trying to build vague techbro hype with the right buzzwords to hopefully attract enough Silicon Valley VC funding so they can turn up no product or a really hilariously bad product and walk away with all the money.

It runs on quantum computing so it must be good!

They don't lay it out clearly but it seems that they're aiming for a mobile device that allows you to dispatch tasks that are done in the cloud using natural language.[1]

I think this is exciting, it gives me vibes of LCARS and voice commands from Star Trek. Whether it turns into something more than hype we'll have to see.

[1] https://www.rabbit.tech/rabbit-os

I love how asked about weather it told me it doesn't have access to real-time weather, so I then asked what it can do, and it replied with weather forecast I asked for but couldn't read because immediately it replaced it with "I can do whatever", i.e. the reply to the second question. :D

So I wanted to at least check out the demo, but I can't even get it to run in up to date FF on Windows 10

It seems like a fun idea, though I can't see any situation where it'd be useful to me, whatever it is. But then you add on the marketing, and it just seems like a sketchy startup. The TM mark on kernel (and reusing the term kernel in the first place) immediately raises red flags.

why is there a rabbit pooping into a large vat?

I want to balance the overall negative response here. I think people's criticism falls into one of the following categories:

- "This is AI bullshit.": I haven't tested it extensively, but I think giving LLM's or similar constructs the ability to execute tasks and perform actions is the next step in AI capabilities. So this makes sense to me.

- "This is not an Operating System." Maybe we need to rethink what an Operating System is. As long as computers were boxes under our desk, an operating system was the thing that operated these boxes. Now computers are everywhere and - when connected to each other in the cloud - form sort of higher level computers. Calling a system that operates the higher level computer an OS is legitimate in my eyes.

- "They put TM behind Kernel" Ok, that one is weird.

> - "This is not an Operating System." Maybe we need to rethink what an Operating System is. As long as computers were boxes under our desk, an operating system was the thing that operated these boxes. Now computers are everywhere and - when connected to each other in the cloud - form sort of higher level computers. Calling a system that operates the higher level computer an OS is legitimate in my eyes.

Or maybe find a better name since OS is already taken and defined?

Same for kernel btw.

“ Now computers are everywhere and - when connected to each other in the cloud - form sort of higher level computers. Calling a system that operates the higher level computer an OS is legitimate in my eyes.”

If that is the case then why is a new device (and hardware) justified?

Nice web UI, now idea what it does.I saw large model, I quit the website

Someone is starving for VC cash for a vapourware product which this is a solution in search for a problem that doesn't exist.

> kernel™ is the cloud-based infrastructure

No thank you.

The quantum engine and the fact that it's not April 1st means that it's a scam .....

The site looks slick.

But the kernel runs in the cloud?

the kernel (tm)

Service as a software substitute. Weak. Imagine the world where this nonsense is taken to its logical conclusion. I am really interested in trying to use fifos / named pipes for interprocess communication with a locally running llm piping into a terminal. The llm would be trained to expect a bash terminal's output while attempting to accomplish some goal. Its outputs would be bash commands. The bash terminal would be piped to be the input of the llm. Circular loop. Other than security, I'm curious why I haven't seen any kind of project like this for automating autonomous agents. You could run it in a VM on the first computer. Is anyone aware of something like that, that isn't vaporware? I don't want a black box OS. I want an OS with a highly skilled pair programmer in-line with me at a terminal that I can call up when I get curious or want to know the smart person way to fix something. As a self taught computer person who does software as a hobby, something like that would be really attractive.

Can't my phone already do all this but like, way better?

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