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> A functioning democracy needs people who question the official line

But that's not what's going on. What's going on is people questioning logic itself. At the time, we just had no better options, based on the knowledge so far. This being uncomfortable is a far cry from questioning the 'official line', it's just choosing to respond to feeling rather than logic, which is problematic.

Nobodg felt good about Covid and any of it's solutions. They were merely the least worst. Antivaxxers would do well to understand how logical reasoning works, and stop attributing choice, emotion, officialdom, whatnot, where there is none. It's a classic case of projection: because they think so, doesn't mean it's how everyone thinks.

Not doing the logical thing is always inferior thinking and should be recognised as such.

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For me, the logic went as follows:

The elderly, the sickly, and the obese were the most at risk.

Being young and healthy, the risk to me was negligible.

The covid vaccines did not prevent transmission, so getting jabbed would not help eradicate the virus.

Because of the limited benefits the vaccine would provide to me and its non-sterilizing nature, I decided not to get vaccinated against covid.

In the end I got covid, was sick as a dog for a few days, then I was fine. I'm happy with my decision. But I would never suggest to anyone who got the covid vaccine that they made the wrong decision, it's an individual choice to make.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say: the vaccines did not prevent transmission. Getting a shot makes it less likely for the virus to reproduce in your body, so any aerosoles you emit will have fewer or no virus content, which is precisely how it helps reduce transmission, does it not?

He means 100% prevention.

But what intervention promises that?

I know, I agree. Maybe the media and scientists set expectations too high? Vaccine == Immune? Not sure.

I'm surprised you two are going on like this as if the purpose of vaccination hasn't been to provide immunization.

It's the first time I meet someone that seems to think immunity is binary, not what it AFAIK is: a fraction, usually quite near 100% but never it.

You are fortunate you did not acquire any of the long covid symptoms.

And yes, it turns out that some people have some innate immunity that we were unable to identify early in the pandemic. But nobody knew if they had that or not.

Your rolled some dice and came up lucky.

I dunno, hanging on every word from the group of people who’ve been handling AIDS in Africa with little oversight for the past few decades seems pretty illogical. I can now see why their methods may cause a lot distrust.

You can’t sit around arguing about emergency procedures in the middle of an emergency. That’s not democracy, that’s stalling for disaster.

Sort these things out ahead of time. If you have a problem, that’s when to complain. But people couldn’t be arsed, to the point that a certain future felon cancelled the program meant to deal with things like this.

If by people handling Aids in Africa you mean various church groups preaching abstinence (by number the largest group active on the subject), then yes, they indeed require immensely more oversight.

Please stop picking out the factoids from their contexts; you seem to be missing large parts of the picture.

There is a simple and scientific question: does this "leaked" DNA in COVID vaccines have adverse effects? Enough to revise vaccination policies, vaccine purification, or the vaccines themselves?

No people and no methods are relevant, the only enemy to be concerned with is a virus.

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