You're honestly doing yourself a disservice expecting citations for such obvious helpful information gosh

I dunno, hanging on every word from the group of people who’ve been handling AIDS in Africa with little oversight for the past few decades seems pretty illogical. I can now see why their methods may cause a lot distrust.

For me, the logic went as follows:

The elderly, the sickly, and the obese were the most at risk.

Being young and healthy, the risk to me was negligible.

The covid vaccines did not prevent transmission, so getting jabbed would not help eradicate the virus.

Because of the limited benefits the vaccine would provide to me and its non-sterilizing nature, I decided not to get vaccinated against covid.

In the end I got covid, was sick as a dog for a few days, then I was fine. I'm happy with my decision. But I would never suggest to anyone who got the covid vaccine that they made the wrong decision, it's an individual choice to make.

I think we’re a little past taking the vaccine being for the betterment of all. Almost everyone I know has had COVID, vaccinated and unvaccinated alike. It may help you get through it easier but the vaccine doesn’t do much to stop the spread. I’ve known two separate families that were all vaccinated and one person brought it home and the rest all got it.

People need to continue their lives. You can’t honestly expect people to “stay home” for 3 years. They need to work, and live. It’s not going away, and nearly everyone has had it by now.

Is the information correct,because of it is a concern to the scientific community it says something about blind trust "pro-vaxxers" have if long term harm is even higher

I expect different people to use the fact to the limits of their cognitive abilities. And I wouldn't call them all idiots. To me personally, the idiots are the people who don't realize how much propaganda they're being exposed to, and don't realize they've been intentionally trained to conflate doubting one vaccine with doubting all vaccines or science in general.

The best and only way to counter anti-truth is with truth, usually meaning transparency. There are always going to be non-conforming groups, you shouldn't be worried about countering their views explicitly if you're worried about general human wellness. Focus on transparency, and the natural scientific process will do the rest.

Right or wrong, I think most normal people are a bit skeptical about being asked to take what they were told was a 95% effective vaccine for the fifth time. I wouldn’t call it bad faith.

Eight years. This circus was already open for business before COVID.

And calling something a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so simply because someone else told you to do so and you assimilated to that norm simply because you are too intellectually lazy to think thoughts that might make you uncomfortable.

Here's an example:

"...But so far private companies Pfizer and Moderna are the only ones that have succeeded in making them. And both companies have refused to share their patents and their manufacturing know-how..."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/13/1111137...

Now let that sink in...we were told time and again. It's a pandemic (i.e., worldwide) and that a variation in Country X has the potential to kill *everywhere*. But share the technology? To save lives?? Technology the US taxpayer paid for?? No way!

Yeah, no big deal. There weren't that many people living in Brazil anyway.

Or what about the fact long term safety was promised...based on what? A time machine?

Or what about the fact that it was revealed mid-pandemic that those disposable blue masks weren't capable of filtering out things the size of a virus? (Read: They were effectively *useless*) When out of left field Faucci tried to push wearing two masks? Simple question: How could the CDC and a world renown "expert" *not* know that??

I get it. They've manipulated your scarcity brain and its biases and you can't help but to keep blowing the horn for them. But that doesn't make anything outside the dictacted narrative a conspiracy theory. It never has. It never will.

Again: follow the money.

p.s. Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is.

Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?

Other way around. It is seeking truth if there is actually a conspiracy. How many so-called "conspiracy theorists" said there was a risk that the shots would alter your DNA, and were then shouted down by people who blindly repeated The Science without engaging with the debate. It's not possible, they said, only uneducated Trump voters could believe that, they said. The Science says the shots can't alter your DNA because mRNA can't do that and anyone who objects should be blasted off the face of the internet, have their bank accounts seized, be forced to take the vaccines to keep their jobs and be prevented from seeing their families.

Only, whoops, mRNA isn't the only thing in the vials, and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA. And the pharma companies must have known that, the regulators turned a blind eye, and testing the vials externally to find out what was in them was forbidden by law (hence why the doctors who blew this open had to test residues from preserved empty vials).

So, yet another win for the so-called conspiracy theorists.

BTW basically everyone has realized this by now. Boosters are still being advertised and promoted but uptake is near zero and Pfizer/Moderna stock prices have disconnected from the rest of the pharma industry, going much lower. Investors are getting worried.