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Given that it's still Sam Altman, and his core value are "we market towards what will make us money", not all that different. The term "AI" has run its course, initially pulling in capital left and right, and that's drying up now that open source can do what the big boys came up with, too. So: rename the work to AGI, start a new hype train, and get the capital streams flowing anew.

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Could you qualify these two assertions:

- AI investment is drying up

- FOSS AI is competitive with proprietary providers

From what I understand, AI grifting and investing has only just begun, and open source AI tools aren't on par with what Open AI is offering.

If we look at crypto as the last VC/SoftBank/Saudi fund etc. trend we should get hundreds of billions invested in the next 10 years. Very much too early to call anything

Given OpenAI dropped the "open" from their principles we don't really know how "on par" anything, much less open source, is with OpenAI anymore. OpenAI is just another closed ML provider and could be just as much smoke and mirrors as any other proprietary provider. OpenAI got a lot of first mover love that buoys their brand name, and it is nothing but a brand name now, but they stopped showing their work to the public and we don't know how much "OpenAI is more competitive than open source equivalents" is just more grift.

Did I miss something? Since when is capital drying up in AI?

I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI, the capital is still there it is just being spread around to a larger number of players than a few months ago when the boom began.

> I think the 'drying up' only applies to OpenAI

they couldn't chew through 10B from MSFT that fast?..

And since when the "open" models are as good as gpt4...

Sounds like wishful thinking. I wish it was true too, but it isn’t. Or is there one reliable source which has valid benchmarks showing that they are similar? Most benchmarks I’ve seen appear cherry-picked (as is the case in ML for years already. Be skeptical of benchmarks).

Can you please not break HN's guidelines like this? They ask you not to fulminate, snark, or call names. We want curious conversation here, not denunciation.

Maybe you don't owe Sam Altman and what you imagine to be his core value better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Fair enough, thank you for the reminder.

Careful, or he'll set Roko's Basilisk on you!

> his core value are "we market towards what will make us money"

That's exactly what "make something people love" means. To love a product means to pay money for it.

I love air, consciouness and wall on forests. :)

People love all kind of things that aren't necessarily ethical, or good for them, good for society, etc.

But does anyone really, actually love enterprise accounting software? Or do they pay money for it because it’s a means towards something they actually love?

I believe I have met such a person.

My health insurance makes people money, but I don't love my health insurance.

try not having health insurance... and you'll realize how much you'll love it

It would be a mistake to conflate being glad not to owe $250k in medical costs with loving the system that perpetuates bills of that nature in the first place.

I love your business of not shooting me in my driveway. I’ll gladly pay $1000 a month for that! I’m in love!

That can be said of any product.

If the system had given me a personal chef, I don't need to go to fancy restaurants

"I love the ambiance and social aspect of a fancy restaurant" wouldn't be implausible, even for someone with a private chef at their beck and call.

"I relish paying my health insurance bill" is a bit different.

No one relishes paying for anything.

It is the benefits that they receive after getting the said product / service.

And some relish is just absence of pain

> To love a product means to pay money for it.

We need a word for these kind of randian sociopathies.

lol the classic "AI is just a hype buzzword because some people use it as a hype buzzword" take. Your cynicism doesn't make you sound smart given it's clear how much you are viewing things just at surface level. Also FOSS competitiveness is only due to fine tuning models from big firms, without it FOSS has nothing.

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